I'm certainly with you on that. Even though I'm not as misanthropic than I used to be. The world is already over populated but just letting people die of curable deseases isn't the right method. Nobody will learn anything from that.

The main point here though is to stomp out anti-intellectualism which leads to most of society's problems. And to do that you need to send clear signs to idiots. We need to attack every and any attempt of misleading or misinforming the public viciously.

In this case the new healthcare bill is worse in all points while malicious and/or ignorant people are trying to say it's the opposite and are calling actual studies fake. This is aggressively idiotic and very harmful to the public mindset.

We need to stomp out idiotic claims so that the human society will start to become more rational and skeptical as a whole. Once we do that we can actually start tackling the world's problems because now we have a thinking populace behind us. We will still have idiots but malicious idiots have always been a small minority. But with the right mindset they won't be able to sway the non-malicious idiots, which is the vast majority.

Looks like trump is going to save the US a lot of money.
If people die earlier they cost less money overall.

It still amazes me someone like him could ever be president, I would not want to live in the US right now. Lets hope healthcare gets better with the next presidential candidates.

I'm mostly joking but ... Wouldn't the bulk of the thinking populace, as individuals, think of a way to be able to afford insurance in their lives? Aren't those the people we would want to survive?

Anything is a fraction of everything else once nothing accounts for more than 50% of the federal budget:

https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/total_spending_pie%2C__2015_enacted.png

Military + Veterans Benefits totals 20%, which is a big chunk of the budget (more than a half of either Social Security or Healthcare). If you shrink that to say 2%, as any non-imperialistic country has, you get 18% so spend elsewhere. Plus, if you create a healthcare-for-all-for-free system as scandinavian countries have, it will cost as much or even less than those 27% you already have today. Social security should be paid by the workers, not the federal government. A fraction of the salaries should be taken to finance pensions and unemployment subsidies. That's another 33% you would save. With those 51% I would increase spending on Education to at least 15% (in order to get equal opportunities for everybody) and increase Energy and Science to at least 3% each. The other 30% would be to pay off debt and decrease in the long term those 6% on interest.

Regarding healthcare, you shouldn't price shop it. You should get everything you need. I live in Portugal and in here healthcare is free. In some cases, you have long waits but when you really need it the system is there to treat you. That's not perfect (and I know there are great inefficiencies) but in my opinion it's much better than in the USA.

Health became a business in a country where money is the only god. I'm sure there's plenty of lobbyist fighting for the doctor's right to a new summer house or those fat suits at the big pharma and their neverending greed. People are dying because of this, it's disgusting.

Seems like you're proving what I said already, US has a spending problem.

The lack of price shopping essentially keeps prices high. If prices are more affordable the average person can afford to pay more of their routine needs out of pocket or with an HSA. When insurance covers everything and nobody price shops, then prices are high. This is part of the reason there are long waits in "free healthcare." There isn't enough money to go around so people have to wait.

The biggest problem with health insurance in the US is it actually makes healthcare expensive because people with insurance aren't price shopping. The insurance companies basically give healthcare providers whatever they want, its kinda crazy.

I'm thinking the best solution is health insurance covers only covers major things we couldn't possibly pay for, like cancer, major surgieries, etc. That covereage would be cheap enough for basically any working person to have. While the simple routine stuff is paid for with a HSA or out of pocket, that would make it cheaper. Meanwhile those who genuinely need help paying for any medical treatment and routine stuff could get government assistance and it would be cheaper to do thanks to competition in the market.

Ultimately, FREE HEALTHCARE doesn't actually exist! Its a scam, its higher taxes. So bear in mind left or right we all want people to be taken care of. We just have different ideas how to do this. The right primarily wants it done in a more affordable way while the left wants limitless spending, atleast in the US.

It's a shame the US doesn't have something like the NHS. It's far from perfect, but it's effective and (arguably more important to the average person) relatively cheap. Sadly though, i'm not really sure how practical it is for the US at this point. The Democrats and Republicans could come to joint agreement on the topic, the insurance industry walk into the sun, and scale alone would still make it an unbelievable complex task. Were it not for Attlee and Churchill's post-WW2 efforts (far be it different efforts :p), and the public's general desire at the time to see change, there's a good chance the UK wouldn't have an NHS either.

350 x 250,000 = 87,500,000

87,500,000 / 22,000,000 = 3.98 rounded up

With that logic it only takes a little under 4 dollars per year to give someone healthcare.

fatslob-:O said: People mistake Trump for being for the 'poor class' but he's specifically for the 'working middle class' ... As long as you're not a high partisan democrat, extreme environmentalist, illegal alien or the bottom 20% in income, Trump is on you're side ... (those in the bottom 10% income range have other bigger problems than who's president) It's kind of funny to see rich and highly democratic states or districts like Maryland, Connecticut, DC, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Washington and California to claim the poor needs help when the bottom 20 states aside from Nevada, Maine, New Mexico, and maybe Michigan all disagreed with them LOL ... The only one that really even needs health insurance are specific blue collar workers and long term life threatening diseases ... The 22 million number is just that, a number what we need to know exactly is how many of them are at high risk ...

Sure he is, TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

But if you think his health care plan, which, as always per the Greedy One Percent, fucks over middle and lower-class Americans for the mega rich, is bad (and it is, very much so), just wait til he gets to releasing his tax plan. He plans to imitate Governor Brownback's tax plan, you know, the governor from the state ranking DEAD LAST in GDP and just had the GOP-controlled House overturn? Yes, that guy.

Like all Republicans, Trump doesn't give a flying fuck about anybody but A)the top 1% and B)his rich donors.

The VAST MAJORITY of the 22 million losing their health insurance have NOTHING AT ALL to do with the lack of a mandate. The CBO openly states that 15 mil will lose their coverage because of the $800 billion in cuts to Medicaid, you know, the opposite of what Trump promised earlier. 

Not gonna lie, a part of me hopes it does pass so these fuckers suffer the consequences.