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Birimbau said:
People need to understand there is no tax on the rich. They can evade tax doing two tings:

- Moving their business to another region with less taxes = loss of jobs for the high tax region;
- Passing the tax to the poor by increasing the price of their products/services.

Either way, it is always the poor that pay directly or indirectly.

And because: they decide the laws and regulations.



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Thank god I'm rich............j/k i'm poor as hell. 



epicurean said:

I think I saw on another story they said it would be breaks for like 350 people (but I can't find that story now). So, I mean, you could also come up with the headline from when Obamacare started:

350 forced to pay for health insurance for 22 million people

I almost feel sorry for those 350 people. People are forced to work in order to survive. People are forced to study in order to work. People are forced to go through many awkard (sometimes humilliating) recruitment processes in order to get a job. People are forced to work in order to get health insurance. People are forced to starve because they don't get a job. People are forced to die of disease because they can't afford healthcare...But people should never be forced to pay for the health care of 22 million other people. That's going too far. How devastating it may be for those poor 350 people.

 

epicurean said:
The democrats were smart in getting their health care bill through, no matter who much it screwed the working class or the deficit. Now whenever it attempts to be changed/repealed/etc, they will always be able to say "millions lose insurance". That is always the lead.

Yet the democrats have been able to deliver at the end of their mandates deficits lower than the ones they received at the beginning of thoses mandates, while republicans have been doing the opposite.

You talk as if the democrats went too far and now millions need to lose insurance in order for the country to get back to normality. The real lead is that most european countries have free health care while the USA doesn't.



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JRPGfan said:
shikamaru317 said:
Both ObamaCare and TrumpCare suck ass.

Trump version sucks alot more.

Its going to kill people, and break the economy of familes for others.

Meanwhile the rich (top 1-2%) will get tax breaks.

 

Its a reverse robin hood, hes takeing from the poor to give to the rich.

Obamacare has objectively made healthcare more expensive inspite of being called the... "affordable care act." Its so expensive people were just opting to pay the penalty while receiving no healthcare. Its safe to assume many getting Obamacare are getting it free as well, essentially many are paying more so others can get it free. This doesn't hurt the rich as much as it hurts the people in the middle.

There are many people making slightly too much to get Obamacare, yet are expected to pay for expensive healthcare. Yet somebody making slightly less by just reducing their hours could fall into a bracket eligible for free healthcare. Its a completely broken system and it was from the start. The rich didn't make this problem, bad government did.

Dems keep talking about the rich but people went to Trump and other republicans because they felt dems were ignoring the middle.

In a society where most poverty happens from bad life choices and starting a family as a single mother, I find myself losing sympathy for much of the poor. We should discourage bad life choices, not constantly throw money at it.



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Soundwave said:

B ... bu .... but Trump was going to be the "working man's" billionaire friend candidate who was going to stick it to the elites I thought?

What a wonderful Medicare plan these Republican boneheads have come up with, of course as per always it screws the lower + middle class in favor of the mega-rich.

Those desperate people earning more than $5 million/year get a nice $250k tax break as a result of the plan though. Can't have those folkes hurting too much right, Trump?

https://www.axios.com/cbo-22-million-more-uninsured-under-senate-health-bill-2448503568.html

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/26/news/economy/senate-health-care-bill-rich/index.html

 If you actually understood both bills you would understand the sleight of hand here. The current Bill taxes the shit out of the upper income earners in order to pay for the insurance of the poor. So yes they will now not be held liable for the people who don’t want to or cannot afford to pay. It’s only a tax break because Obama and the Dems raised taxes on those people to support the "affordable" care act. A lot of people would rather not have insurance if it means paying for it because they are already living paycheck to paycheck. So a lot of those 22 million may not even want insurance. I have opted out of insurance plenty of times to save money.

 

What the Libtards and Democrats don’t seem to realize is that not everyone is blinded by the BS they spew. You clearly are however a lot of people are not. I would rather have the option to opt out and save money than be forced to buy something I don’t want or need. And taxing people who make more so that people who make less can get better benefits is not something I agree with either.

 

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JRPGfan said:
shikamaru317 said:
Both ObamaCare and TrumpCare suck ass.

Trump version sucks alot more.

Its going to kill people, and break the economy of familes for others.

Meanwhile the rich (top 1-2%) will get tax breaks.

 

Its a reverse robin hood, hes takeing from the poor to give to the rich.

LOL it’s going to kill people. What did people do before the rich were paying for their insurance? Did they all die? Wipe that BS Affordable care act out completely and go back to how it was before. That or abolish insurance companies all together and do it right.



epicurean said:
Soundwave said:

B ... bu .... but Trump was going to be the "working man's" billionaire friend candidate who was going to stick it to the elites I thought?

What a wonderful Medicare plan these Republican boneheads have come up with, of course as per always it screws the lower + middle class in favor of the mega-rich.

Those desperate people earning more than $5 million/year get a nice $250k tax break as a result of the plan though. Can't have those folkes hurting too much right, Trump?

https://www.axios.com/cbo-22-million-more-uninsured-under-senate-health-bill-2448503568.html

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/26/news/economy/senate-health-care-bill-rich/index.html

I think I saw on another story they said it would be breaks for like 350 people (but I can't find that story now). So, I mean, you could also come up with the headline from when Obamacare started:

350 forced to pay for health insurance for 22 million people

Exactly, someone who actually gets it.



Zod95 said:
epicurean said:

I think I saw on another story they said it would be breaks for like 350 people (but I can't find that story now). So, I mean, you could also come up with the headline from when Obamacare started:

350 forced to pay for health insurance for 22 million people

I almost feel sorry for those 350 people. People are forced to work in order to survive. People are forced to study in order to work. People are forced to go through many awkard (sometimes humilliating) recruitment processes in order to get a job. People are forced to work in order to get health insurance. People are forced to starve because they don't get a job. People are forced to die of disease because they can't afford healthcare...But people should never be forced to pay for the health care of 22 million other people. That's going too far. How devastating it may be for those poor 350 people.

Our unemployed are probably the fattest people in this country. So I assure you I have little concern for them starving.
https://www.wired.com/2012/06/homeless-obesity/

I have no problem paying for the healthcare of those who genuinely can't work. But maybe some of the 22 million is people just making bad choices. We also have a government that's terrible with money which adds to the problem.

Obamacare didn't find way to make healthcare more affordable per se. We just just threw more money at it. Helping others fine and dandy until people suddenly find themselves paying significantly more for healthcare. If you're gonna force people to pay for healthcare maybe it should be more affordable.

Wasn't that the idea of Obamacare? We'll all be forced to pay in so that will naturally make it more affordable. I don't think it worked out.



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Soundwave said:
shikamaru317 said:

No I don't believe that free (or nearly free) health insurance is entitled to the lower class. I'm lower class myself, and I don't think it's right for me to have a huge tax credit to spend on health insurance on the backs of hard working middle class Americans, which is why I don't participate, instead opting out and choosing to have no health insurance. Why? Because I've seen the damage that ObamaCare does to the middle class first hand; my father, who was lower middle class pre-ObamaCare, now has to spend twice as much on health insurance as he did before ObamaCare, and all he gets for that is a plan with a deductible so high it is pointless. Meanwhile he is trying to pay for my mother's very expensive medication, barely any of which is covered by his health insurance plan. He has gone from lower middle class to barely making it paycheck to paycheck, all thanks to ObamaCare. So hell no, I don't think the lower class is entitled to health insurance tax credits.

What we need are some ballsy politicians who will take on this issue the right way. It's time to pass laws to curb the costs of health care and health insurance so that lower class Americans can afford to buy health insurance with their own money.

lol the ability of Republicans to get poor people to actively vote against their own interests is always hilarious to me. 

You sure you don't need health insurance? Can you see into the future as well? 

Insurance is a scam. All Insurance is a scam. You can pay into insurance for 40 years and never use it but still get denied claims because the insurance companies look for ways not to pay them. Where did all your money go? 



Mr Puggsly said:

 Our unemployed are probably the fattest people in this country. So I assure you I have little concern for them starving.
https://www.wired.com/2012/06/homeless-obesity/

I have no problem paying for the healthcare of those who genuinely can't work. But maybe some of the 22 million is people just making bad choices.

If you think people are unemployed because they don't want to work, you need to make a serious tour across the country. You'll learn a lot.

I tell you people that don't want to work. Those 350 multi-millionaires that do nothing all day but spend tons of money. Most probably, they never worked in their lives. They don't even know what that is.

 

Mr Puggsly said:

We also have a government that's terrible with money which adds to the problem.

Obamacare didn't find way to make healthcare more affordable per se. We just just threw more money at it. Helping others fine and dandy until people suddenly find themselves paying significantly more for healthcare. If you're gonna force people to pay for healthcare maybe it should be more affordable.

Wasn't that the idea of Obamacare? We'll all be forced to pay in so that will naturally make it more affordable. I don't think it worked out.

I'm all for spending well public resources. The USA, compared to the european countries, spends more in healthcare to get less. I'm with you on that.



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