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Forums - Politics Discussion - Trumpcare Would Leave 22 Million Uninsured But Give The Wealthy $250,000 Tax Break

epicurean said:
The democrats were smart in getting their health care bill through, no matter who much it screwed the working class or the deficit. Now whenever it attempts to be changed/repealed/etc, they will always be able to say "millions lose insurance". That is always the lead.

Besides we all know poor/lower middle class people aren't people anyway. They don't need trivial luxuries like health care. Why if they just rolled up their sleeves and tried a little harder they might be able to have gold plated toilet like Trump. 



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shikamaru317 said:
JRPGfan said:

Trump version sucks alot more.

Its going to kill people, and break the economy of familes for others.

Meanwhile the rich (top 1-2%) will get tax breaks.

 

Its a reverse robin hood, hes takeing from the poor to give to the rich.

Ultimately it was Obama who opened up this pandora's box. It was basically an open call to insurance companies to charge whatever the hell they wanted for health insurance. Premiums have skyrocketed under ObamaCare, double what they were in many cases. Now the lower class want to keep what they believe is entitled to them (it's not), while the rich want to take as much of the tax burden as possible off themselves as possible. Where does that leave the middle class? Stuck paying for socialized health care because the rich don't want to and they hold the power to sway politicians. 

Damn those poor and lower middle class greedy bastards. Thinking they should be entitled to something as minor as health care in a first world country. The nerve of them. Also many people who push themselves as "middle class" aren't actually in the "middle class", if you're living paycheque to paycheque as many Americans are, that isn't "middle class". 



Time for a universal single payer system.



WolfpackN64 said:
Time for a universal single payer system.

Honest question can you explain single payer system to me. I been seeing this thrown out a lot and need to learn the benefits and drawback from it.



 

Surely the biggest issue is the expense of medical treatment and drugs. America is profiteering far too much on this with extremely overpaid medical professionals. Whatever insurance there is still has to account for these extreme charges so premiums are high. At the moment I'm guessing there is an under-supply of medical professionals. I think you need more people medically trained and a more competitive environment to bring down prices. The drug companies and doctors are working together to maximise profits for themselves with the patient seen as little more than a wallet to empty. It's never going to be cheap but the US system seems excessively expensive.



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shikamaru317 said:
Soundwave said:

Damn those poor and lower middle class greedy bastards. Thinking they should be entitled to something as minor as health care in a first world country. The nerve of them. Also many people who push themselves as "middle class" aren't actually in the "middle class", if you're living paycheque to paycheque as many Americans are, that isn't "middle class". 

No I don't believe that free (or nearly free) health insurance is entitled to the lower class. I'm lower class myself, and I don't think it's right for me to have a huge tax credit to spend on health insurance on the backs of hard working middle class Americans, which is why I don't participate, instead opting out and choosing to have no health insurance. Why? Because I've seen the damage that ObamaCare does to the middle class first hand; my father, who was lower middle class pre-ObamaCare, now has to spend twice as much on health insurance as he did before ObamaCare, and all he gets for that is a plan with a deductible so high it is pointless. Meanwhile he is trying to pay for my mother's very expensive medication, barely any of which is covered by his health insurance plan. He has gone from lower middle class to barely making it paycheck to paycheck, all thanks to ObamaCare. So hell no, I don't think the lower class is entitled to health insurance tax credits.

What we need are some ballsy politicians who will take on this issue the right way. It's time to pass laws to curb the costs of health care and health insurance so that lower class Americans can afford to buy health insurance with their own money.

lol the ability of Republicans to get poor people to actively vote against their own interests is always hilarious to me. 

You sure you don't need health insurance? Can you see into the future as well? 



I could potentially be one of those people and without it I would no doubt die slowly and painfully. I am not joking either. Without my heart care my congestive heart failure would come back and most if not everyone here has no idea how much suffering is involved. You start losing your hair. Start retaining water to the point it's very hard to open your eyes and your eyelids are heavy from water retention. Everyday things become very hard. At some point you start vomiting random times of the day and can only eat at certain parts of the day and can only be a specific thing as everything else tastes horrible. It becomes so painful to breath it literally feels like being stabbed every breath you take. Then you start coughing up blood and mucus from your lungs. By this point you can no longer lay down to sleep. You have to sit at odd angles and lean over something with a pillow to sleep. You feel your organs shutting down and losing all your hair. I was so close to death before I got help. I got help my hair grew back (thicker darker and curlier oddly) and I am living as I can even tho my heart is enlarged and I now have general cardiomyopathy but day to day life is fine as much as it can be. If my medicare/medicaid is taken from me all this will happen again but this time I will die. It's a miracle I didn't die from it the first time.



Acevil said:
WolfpackN64 said:
Time for a universal single payer system.

Honest question can you explain single payer system to me. I been seeing this thrown out a lot and need to learn the benefits and drawback from it.

The most direct consequence is that all medical services are sold to the government (who then distributes/resells), instead of to individuals. It's for all purposes an inverse monopoly; there is only 1 customer the industry can sell to, which consequently gives a lot of negociation power to the buyer/the government (which is why prices for medication are much lower in countries where this is implemented, usually.) This is to counter the fact that at a personal level, the offer-demand curve is completely distorted in the industry, demand being infinite, on the side of the consumer, and patent laws (which are necessary in a private system for continued funding to research) often create numerous disease-specific monopolies.



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SegataSanshiro said:
I could potentially be one of those people and without it I would no doubt die slowly and painfully. I am not joking either. Without my heart care my congestive heart failure would come back and most if not everyone here has no idea how much suffering is involved. You start losing your hair. Start retaining water to the point it's very hard to open your eyes and your eyelids are heavy from water retention. Everyday things become very hard. At some point you start vomiting random times of the day and can only eat at certain parts of the day and can only be a specific thing as everything else tastes horrible. It becomes so painful to breath it literally feels like being stabbed every breath you take. Then you start coughing up blood and mucus from your lungs. By this point you can no longer lay down to sleep. You have to sit at odd angles and lean over something with a pillow to sleep. You feel your organs shutting down and losing all your hair. I was so close to death before I got help. I got help my hair grew back (thicker darker and curlier oddly) and I am living as I can even tho my heart is enlarged and I now have general cardiomyopathy but day to day life is fine as much as it can be. If my medicare/medicaid is taken from me all this will happen again but this time I will die. It's a miracle I didn't die from it the first time.

Move. Canada/Europe/anything, really. The laws will take time to implement, so you should be fine in waiting process.



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