specialk said:
Except for that whole "can't afford it" thing. |
It's not universial healthcare so it's ultimately up to a person if they have health insurance or not. If they can't afford it, make more $$$.
specialk said:
Except for that whole "can't afford it" thing. |
It's not universial healthcare so it's ultimately up to a person if they have health insurance or not. If they can't afford it, make more $$$.
There are many reasons that the US does not have a Single Payer system in the U.S. Here are some, and not in any particular order.
method114 said: How many of the 22 million were part of the people who were forced to buy it in the first place? In my early 20's not only did I not need health care, I didn't want it, and couldn't afford it. I was working contract IT jobs a lot. I would have hated to have this forced on me. |
The CBO said 15+ mil will NOT lose their coverage due to any individual mandate but the extreme cuts to Medicaid, so there you go.
Aeolus451 said:
It's not universial healthcare so it's ultimately up to a person if they have health insurance or not. If they can't afford it, make more $$$. |
So in your mind what would people do who were too poor for health insurance and couldn't just "make more $$$" at the drop of a hat?
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NightDragon83 said: Newsflash: There are millions of uninsured people TODAY who are forced to pay the ObamaCare "penalty" (aka TAX) because they can't afford the actual health coverage under ObamaCare, or they just don't want to spend their hard earned money on inferior healthcare that has high premiums / deductibles. 'Member when President Obama said "if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan?" Or, "if you like your Doctor, you can keep your Doctor?" Or even better... "the Affordable Care Act (sorry, I just threw up in my mouth a little) will save the average family $2,500 a year?" I 'member. And then it got passed and put into place, and EVERYONE'S premiums went up while insurers were either forced out of the market altogether or offered limited options through the ACA, and millions of people lost access to their preferred Drs and hospitals of choice. Obama lied, people died. |
You want to talk about lies? Motherfucker, watch me work.
Remember when Trump said (repeatedly, might I add) that he WASN'T going to cut Medicaid? The new healthcare bill cuts almost $800 bil from it.
Remember when Trump said he wouldn't gut protections for pre-existing conditions? Low and behold, that turned out to be a steaming fucking lie as well.
Remember when Trump said "nobody is going to be better on women's health issues than Donald Trump?" His health care plan lists rape, sexual assault, postpartum depression, C-Sections and even pregnancy as pre-existing conditions which BTW, he and the GOP left at the insurer's mercy. And guts care for women across the board. In other words, if you're a rape survivor who's been impregnated by her attacker, sad day for you under TrumpCare.
Or better yet, remember when Trump said:
Yeah, his absolute disaster of a health care plan would leave 22 million uninsured. That's exactly 22 million less people than he said would be covered.
Compared with Trump's healthcare lies, Obama's have been rather tame in comparison.
Oh, and about those "rising Obamacare costs":
Torillian said:
So in your mind what would people do who were too poor for health insurance and couldn't just "make more $$$" at the drop of a hat? |
Yes.... Do we live on different planets or something? It's common sense. Work more hours, get a better job, get another job, get your spouse to work, etc. Ya know all of the solutions that normal people have for any problem related to money.
Aeolus451 said:
Yes.... Do we live on different planets or something? It's common sense. Work more hours, get a better job, get another job, get your spouse to work, etc. Ya know all of the solutions that normal people have for any problem related to money. |
So you're saying that everyone who is poor is by choice then. They should just work more hours or get a higher paying job. Ok, now let's say that for whatever reason they can't work more hours, they don't have a spouse, they take care of 2 kids by themselves and they don't have the time to get trained to get a better job. What would such a person do if they got sick under your proposed system?
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Raistline said: There are many reasons that the US does not have a Single Payer system in the U.S. Here are some, and not in any particular order.
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Torillian said:
So you're saying that everyone who is poor is by choice then. They should just work more hours or get a higher paying job. Ok, now let's say that for whatever reason they can't work more hours, they don't have a spouse, they take care of 2 kids by themselves and they don't have the time to get trained to get a better job. What would such a person do if they got sick under your proposed system? . |
More or less. It's thousands of choices that lead to that person being poor and there's thousands of choices a person might contiinue to make that keep them there. There's thousands of choices that can make you more wealthy. It's ultimately their choice if they continue to remain poor/where you're at, grow more poor and become more wealthy. I'm tired of this speal that a person can't improve their lot in life by trying harder and making better choices in life.
I'm all for programs that are designed to help people who are in need of it (temporarily) so they can get back on their feet or for people who are legitimately disabled. If they can work, they can pay for it their damn selves.