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Not that it matters when actual facts are called fake news by the president anyway.



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palou said:
EricHiggin said:

If that were true, then considering that there are many other "alternative" non MSM "news" sources, with WAY higher viewership, then these businesses would change their model to steal some of those customers for themselves. Thats not to say they would change from a purely Liberal perspective to a Conservative perspective, but they would certainly try and split the difference as much as possible to gain viewers without losing too many.

They most certainly do care who is President, considering most of the people who work or are associated with the MSM, are city people, who all voted for Hillary, based on the electoral map. The Democates tend to cater more to the urban area's, and Republicans cater more the the rural. Add to that someone like Trump, who is also pushing to help the poor, lost, and forgotten, who are most certainly not part of the the MSM, you can easily see why they hate him so much and want him out.

I think you overestimate how much individuals invest themselves into politics. For 20 000$, I'd vote for whom ever asks. I doubt that these people would prioritize their political beliefs over something that concerns them personally, their career/profits. Perhaps, if the choice presents itself, their beliefs may sway decisions one way or another, put at its core, we are all individuals caring above all about what concerns us directly.

You mean like the large sponser companies that are throwing their weight around by making sure anyone who dares side with the Conservatives is let go and made an example of?  You would have a point there. Why those stations don't go out an find Conservative minded sponsers for those shows then? Maybe conflict of interest, maybe the station agree's with their obvious position? I don't know about you, but I could never work somewhere that was against my interests, and not just money. Which makes you have to wonder about all the people that actually work there.

Chris Hu said:
EricHiggin said:

If that were true, then considering that there are many other "alternative" non MSM "news" sources, with WAY higher viewership, then these businesses would change their model to steal some of those customers for themselves. Thats not to say they would change from a purely Liberal perspective to a Conservative perspective, but they would certainly try and split the difference as much as possible to gain viewers without losing too many.

They most certainly do care who is President, considering most of the people who work or are associated with the MSM, are city people, who all voted for Hillary, based on the electoral map. The Democates tend to cater more to the urban area's, and Republicans cater more the the rural. Add to that someone like Trump, who is also pushing to help the poor, lost, and forgotten, who are most certainly not part of the the MSM, you can easily see why they hate him so much and want him out.

LOL, I hope you are being sacastic Trump has done zilch for the poor.  As a matter of fact the only people he helped out so far is the mega rich by giving them further tax breaks.

Trump has accomplished very little so far in general. Which isn't surprising either, seeing the push back he gets from the left, and some of the core right, for absolutely everything he does. Trump can't breathe without being torn apart, by how he was breathing through his mouth instead of his nose, and what kind of idiot doesn't know its better to breathe through the nose? How can he be President? This childish thinking and nonsense is clearly more widespread than just the MSM, and it just gets in the way. Just the rich are getting tax breaks? I'm pretty sure everyone is basically getting a break, to bring back business and allow for new business to start up and stay in America and thrive. Hopefully leading to more better paying jobs, and more wealth overall. Thats not to say thats exactly what is going to happen, but that is the plan.



Lol, I hope this is more sarcasm he hasn't brought back any jobs either.  



EricHiggin said:
palou said:

I think you overestimate how much individuals invest themselves into politics. For 20 000$, I'd vote for whom ever asks. I doubt that these people would prioritize their political beliefs over something that concerns them personally, their career/profits. Perhaps, if the choice presents itself, their beliefs may sway decisions one way or another, put at its core, we are all individuals caring above all about what concerns us directly.

You mean like the large sponser companies that are throwing their weight around by making sure anyone who dares side with the Conservatives is let go and made an example of?  You would have a point there. Why those stations don't go out an find Conservative minded sponsers for those shows then? 

Perhaps because they can't, at the same time, pander to both conservatives and liberals, and choose the latter since they don't want to take the risk of abandonning the audience they already have?

 

If CNN would start praising Trump from one day to another, they would lose their current base, and would have to battle fox for their already established audience. 

 

Taking the middle ground is a guaranteed disaster, as liberals would prefer MSNBC and conservatives would prefer FOX.

 

Staying consistent in the message they send is essential to all corporate news organizations, not because they care about the message, but because they need it, as a buisness.



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Final-Fan said:
Specifically addressing Aura7541: I think you overestimate the ability of the sources you mention to perform the services the "mainstream media" currently provide. Most obviously (to me, at least), the Youtube political commentators might be able to fill in for MSM political commentators, but they are totally dependent on news providers: they do not themselves do the legwork of producing news, or at least comparatively little. Alternative media can be strong organizations with the ability to do serious investigative journalism, but they can also be total propaganda pushers or fabricate or doctor evidence. A big downside to democratizing our news sources is that it's harder to keep eyes on a thousand news providers to keep them honest rather than just a few. Independent journalists theoretically present the same problem, but I personally think these individuals would present less bias in aggregate compared to tons of small organizations. However, freelancers would have fewer resources with which to do research and investigative reporting.

Big news organizations aren't going away, and if they are, it's bad news for news.

I merely mentioned that cable news is declining and people are increasingly looking at alternative outlets for their news. Whether those alternative outlets are capable of replacing corporate media (and I don't think they will, but will eat up a signifacant chunk of their viewership) is another discussion.



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Since they regularly edit and clarify stories, they already do.

Hell, even Fox News retracts false stories.

You can't say the same for Breitbart and similar internet rags.



Insidb said:
Since they regularly edit and clarify stories, they already do.

Hell, even Fox News retracts false stories.

You can't say the same for Breitbart and similar internet rags.

Fox New, CNN, MSNBC, ect are HUGE compared to other outlets like Breitbart. So them retracting is important. The trouble is though, that when they "break" the story it is all over the headlines, newswaves, tv, ect. They talk about it for days, weeks. Have guests on and discuss it ot all high hell. Ect.

Then when the story ends up being smoke, false, ect, there is a small byline that retracts it. 99% of the people who saw the initial report don't ever find out it was retracted/false/fake. 

That mostly teh news fault, but it's also the users fault. You see an article that say "Trump pees on girls" you click the hell out of it. You see an article that says "update, he doesn't pee on girls" you ignore it cause it's not as exciting. So even if buzzfeed or whoever wanted to get th word out of a correction, their articles correcting are getting piss poor traffic and thus they move on to higher traffic stories. Their online algorithms also probably push down the low traffic stories off main page/headlines, and thus again retracted/fixed/updated stories don't see the light of day and most people still beleive the false one earlier.



irstupid said:
Insidb said:
Since they regularly edit and clarify stories, they already do.

Hell, even Fox News retracts false stories.

You can't say the same for Breitbart and similar internet rags.

Fox New, CNN, MSNBC, ect are HUGE compared to other outlets like Breitbart. So them retracting is important. The trouble is though, that when they "break" the story it is all over the headlines, newswaves, tv, ect. They talk about it for days, weeks. Have guests on and discuss it ot all high hell. Ect.

Then when the story ends up being smoke, false, ect, there is a small byline that retracts it. 99% of the people who saw the initial report don't ever find out it was retracted/false/fake. 

That mostly teh news fault, but it's also the users fault. You see an article that say "Trump pees on girls" you click the hell out of it. You see an article that says "update, he doesn't pee on girls" you ignore it cause it's not as exciting. So even if buzzfeed or whoever wanted to get th word out of a correction, their articles correcting are getting piss poor traffic and thus they move on to higher traffic stories. Their online algorithms also probably push down the low traffic stories off main page/headlines, and thus again retracted/fixed/updated stories don't see the light of day and most people still beleive the false one earlier.

Agreed, and this problem seems to have some permanence: they need the views to make money, so the prioritize the views.



palou said:
EricHiggin said:

You mean like the large sponser companies that are throwing their weight around by making sure anyone who dares side with the Conservatives is let go and made an example of?  You would have a point there. Why those stations don't go out an find Conservative minded sponsers for those shows then? 

Perhaps because they can't, at the same time, pander to both conservatives and liberals, and choose the latter since they don't want to take the risk of abandonning the audience they already have?

If CNN would start praising Trump from one day to another, they would lose their current base, and would have to battle fox for their already established audience. 

Taking the middle ground is a guaranteed disaster, as liberals would prefer MSNBC and conservatives would prefer FOX.

Staying consistent in the message they send is essential to all corporate news organizations, not because they care about the message, but because they need it, as a buisness.

Maybe they can't. Maybe they think they can't. For a long time, most stations leaned one way or the other slightly, but most were closer to center. Over the past decade, the left leaning stations have gone futher left, and the right futher right. So staying closer to center is possible. However, with the hole they have dug themselves now, trying to go center could potentially lead to even lower veiwership. I still think it could be done, it would just be alot of work and some extra risk that maybe they would rather not do/chance.



CNN's ratings are up. It's Fox Clown Shown News that has seen their ratings go down the crapper.

Trump backers who are salty about him taking heat for Russia don't have a leg to stand on IMO. There is a fair amount of proof that they have tried to influence elections, and you guys were going on full witchhunt over Hilary's emails which probably amounted to a wet fart in importance, now that it's your guy taking heat, you can't stand it. Tough. Can't have it both ways.