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If Trump or the Republicans win the next Presidential election again, then they will change. Otherwise no. They need to double down for he next 4 years because if they change now, they have little hope in helping to push a Democratic President come 2020.
If they do change, it will be so slow and subtle, most won't notice. Blatantly admitting defeat, or just being wrong in general, is not the Liberal way.



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EricHiggin said:
If Trump or the Republicans win the next Presidential election again, then they will change. Otherwise no. They need to double down for he next 4 years because if they change now, they have little hope in helping to push a Democratic President come 2020.
If they do change, it will be so slow and subtle, most won't notice. Blatantly admitting defeat, or just being wrong in general, is not the Liberal way.

They're not politicians, they are a buisness. They pander to a certain audience, but fundamentaly, they don't care about who leads the country.



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If by fake news you mean shit Trump doesn't like? No... no they're not.



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DarthMetalliCube said:

Nah, it's not in their nature. They'll burn to the ground first (which thankfully they seem on the fast track of already doing). The demise of mainstream outlets is fast incoming. Fewer and fewer are trusting them, especially after their blatant bias and lies of the past few years, and rightfully so. And I'm not just picking on the left wing ones, Fox is little better.

Except that's not true.  CNN ratings have been up.  

 

OP:  Retracting a story or a part is not a super unusual thing.  Making more out of nothing seems to be a bigger "fake news" than the fake news your report CNN is doing.

Really? I'd be really surprised if that's true. That's a bummer..

Even if true, they're becoming increasingly marginalized compared to the growing internet/alternative media out there. Especially recently where they've lost any remaining semblance of objectivity in journalism and have basically exposed themselves as a massive propaganda force of the Democratic party with their phony Russia hysteria and divisive identity politic obsession. I just can't believe a significant number of people would actually believe CNN is out for their best interests and providing the facts rather than just ratings and corporate sponsorship. 

Though there are a lot of suckers out there so I guess I shouldn't be too surprised.



 

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palou said:
EricHiggin said:
If Trump or the Republicans win the next Presidential election again, then they will change. Otherwise no. They need to double down for he next 4 years because if they change now, they have little hope in helping to push a Democratic President come 2020.
If they do change, it will be so slow and subtle, most won't notice. Blatantly admitting defeat, or just being wrong in general, is not the Liberal way.

They're not politicians, they are a buisness. They pander to a certain audience, but fundamentaly, they don't care about who leads the country.

If that were true, then considering that there are many other "alternative" non MSM "news" sources, with WAY higher viewership, then these businesses would change their model to steal some of those customers for themselves. Thats not to say they would change from a purely Liberal perspective to a Conservative perspective, but they would certainly try and split the difference as much as possible to gain viewers without losing too many.

They most certainly do care who is President, considering most of the people who work or are associated with the MSM, are city people, who all voted for Hillary, based on the electoral map. The Democates tend to cater more to the urban area's, and Republicans cater more the the rural. Add to that someone like Trump, who is also pushing to help the poor, lost, and forgotten, who are most certainly not part of the the MSM, you can easily see why they hate him so much and want him out.



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CNN and other cable news channels are being strangulated by an increasing number of people cutting the cord, whether it is because they are fed up with the corporate media's BS or switching to streaming services. Instead, people are getting their news from alternative media, independent journalists, and Youtube political commentators and a lot of them have a larger internet audience than the corporate media outlets.



EricHiggin said:
palou said:

They're not politicians, they are a buisness. They pander to a certain audience, but fundamentaly, they don't care about who leads the country.

If that were true, then considering that there are many other "alternative" non MSM "news" sources, with WAY higher viewership, then these businesses would change their model to steal some of those customers for themselves. Thats not to say they would change from a purely Liberal perspective to a Conservative perspective, but they would certainly try and split the difference as much as possible to gain viewers without losing too many.

They most certainly do care who is President, considering most of the people who work or are associated with the MSM, are city people, who all voted for Hillary, based on the electoral map. The Democates tend to cater more to the urban area's, and Republicans cater more the the rural. Add to that someone like Trump, who is also pushing to help the poor, lost, and forgotten, who are most certainly not part of the the MSM, you can easily see why they hate him so much and want him out.

I think you overestimate how much individuals invest themselves into politics. For 20 000$, I'd vote for whom ever asks. I doubt that these people would prioritize their political beliefs over something that concerns them personally, their career/profits. Perhaps, if the choice presents itself, their beliefs may sway decisions one way or another, put at its core, we are all individuals caring above all about what concerns us directly.



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Aura7541 said:
CNN and other cable news channels are being strangulated by an increasing number of people cutting the cord, whether it is because they are fed up with the corporate media's BS or switching to streaming services. Instead, people are getting their news from alternative media, independent journalists, and Youtube political commentators and a lot of them have a larger internet audience than the corporate media outlets.

 All of these people will have agendas to push , just because you get your news from another source doesn't make it better or worse , what alternative media  does is further muddy the waters of a medium that's never been clear , the real problem lies in editoral comments encroachment into the domain of objective reporting and it's impact on further diminishing the 4th estate , media over the years has had it fair share of bad reporting, but it has also impacted the world by shedding light on untold stories that have righted wrongs served justice an helped the community , we have to be careful about throwing out the baby with the bath water.



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EricHiggin said:
palou said:

They're not politicians, they are a buisness. They pander to a certain audience, but fundamentaly, they don't care about who leads the country.

If that were true, then considering that there are many other "alternative" non MSM "news" sources, with WAY higher viewership, then these businesses would change their model to steal some of those customers for themselves. Thats not to say they would change from a purely Liberal perspective to a Conservative perspective, but they would certainly try and split the difference as much as possible to gain viewers without losing too many.

They most certainly do care who is President, considering most of the people who work or are associated with the MSM, are city people, who all voted for Hillary, based on the electoral map. The Democates tend to cater more to the urban area's, and Republicans cater more the the rural. Add to that someone like Trump, who is also pushing to help the poor, lost, and forgotten, who are most certainly not part of the the MSM, you can easily see why they hate him so much and want him out.

LOL, I hope you are being sacastic Trump has done zilch for the poor.  As a matter of fact the only people he helped out so far is the mega rich by giving them further tax breaks.



"Fake news" is in my opinion more than just getting a story wrong. Fake news, at its worst, is intentionally counterfactual or misleading propaganda, either for political reasons, or because the writer is pushing a conspiracy theory (which he himself believes), or just to profit off the sensationalism (clickbait).

A "lesser" form of fake news is what you might call "bullshit news"—desperately pushing out stories as fast as possible even if they are based on questionable sources: even if the so-called journalist doing this sort of reporting is himself honest he may well be unintentionally serving the agenda of someone feeding him garbage, or just plain making mistakes.

It sounds like CNN was starting to veer into the territory of bullshit news. I hope this episode will scare them straight. Even if it doesn't, though, they're still infinitely better than the likes of Alex Jones.

Specifically addressing Aura7541: I think you overestimate the ability of the sources you mention to perform the services the "mainstream media" currently provide. Most obviously (to me, at least), the Youtube political commentators might be able to fill in for MSM political commentators, but they are totally dependent on news providers: they do not themselves do the legwork of producing news, or at least comparatively little. Alternative media can be strong organizations with the ability to do serious investigative journalism, but they can also be total propaganda pushers or fabricate or doctor evidence. A big downside to democratizing our news sources is that it's harder to keep eyes on a thousand news providers to keep them honest rather than just a few. Independent journalists theoretically present the same problem, but I personally think these individuals would present less bias in aggregate compared to tons of small organizations. However, freelancers would have fewer resources with which to do research and investigative reporting.

Big news organizations aren't going away, and if they are, it's bad news for news.



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