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Forums - Politics Discussion - Illinois sweetened beverage tax goes into effect July 1st 2017-moved to the 12th now

DarthMetalliCube on 29 June 2017

WAT..? 

Christ, I can't get out of Chicagoland soon enough



 

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Nymeria on 29 June 2017
Ganoncrotch said:

Wondering what you happen to use for testing Nymeria, wasn't aware of there being a T1 presense on here :) but I recently picked up a number of

Accu Chek Mobile, testers, the site behind them was offering the testers for free (because then you get their test cartridges for use and they make tons of cash that way via the gov) But the tester is sooo user friendly it's great, has a cartridge in it with 50 tests, just open the lid, jab finger with the lancet on the side (which contains a barrel of 6 difference lances in one) and put the drop on, then the cart rolls up another one for the next time you need to test, no messing about with bits of tin foil trying to get a test strip out when you need to check it.

I may sound like an accu chek shill... but they're really great testers.

OneTouch which is provided through my health insurance so not up to me.



contestgamer on 29 June 2017
spurgeonryan said:
Signalstar said:
I don't drink soda. It's honestly disgusting. It like drinking acid.

It is great,  very addicting. I struggle daily to not drink it.  Also on a sugar ban which is hard as well. 

So you just proved the point of the state. That's why we need a tax on it.



The_Yoda on 29 June 2017
palou said:
shikamaru317 said:
I don't believe in government regulation on this level. If people want to be unhealthy that's their choice, the government shouldn't be sticking their noses where it doesn't belong, trying to force people to be healthy.

These ARE habits that you take as a child, though, wouldn't it be fair to deincentivise families from preparing their children to an unhealthy life?

Fuck free will Papa Goverment should tell you when to sleep, where to work, what to eat and drink.  Papa Goverment is never wrong.

 

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palou on 29 June 2017
The_Yoda said:
palou said:

These ARE habits that you take as a child, though, wouldn't it be fair to deincentivise families from preparing their children to an unhealthy life?

Fuck free will Papa Goverment should tell you when to sleep, where to work, what to eat and drink.  Papa Goverment is never wrong.

 

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I was talking specifically about children, if you haven't noticed. More specifically, the influence of parents over their children. I consider children to be humans, and thus, they cannot be "owned", even by a parent. People have free will concerning themselves - not upon others. Since a child does not have the required capacities to make informed decisions or to simply look after themselves, some decisions need to be made for them, and some things need to be given to them. Parents, having a natural attachment and sensibility to the vulnerability of their children, can naturally be the first to be trusted to use this power over the child in the child's best interest. It is nonetheless a reality that not all parents know (or sometimes desire) the best interest of the child at all times, which, to me, revokes their right of intervention in a child's freedom in said context. So, we can collectively agree upon rules (the function of a democratic government) that delimit what can be considered to be in a child's interest.



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TheBraveGallade on 29 June 2017

Well if 100% juices and coffee were cheaper I wouldn't see it as a big deal



The_Yoda on 29 June 2017
palou said:
The_Yoda said:

Fuck free will Papa Goverment should tell you when to sleep, where to work, what to eat and drink.  Papa Goverment is never wrong.

 

This message brought to you by the minds behind Vietnam

I was talking specifically about children, if you haven't noticed. More specifically, the influence of parents over their children. I consider children to be humans, and thus, they cannot be "owned", even by a parent. People have free will concerning themselves - not upon others. Since a child does not have the required capacities to make informed decisions or to simply look after themselves, some decisions need to be made for them, and some things need to be given to them. Parents, having a natural attachment and sensibility to the vulnerability of their children, can naturally be the first to be trusted to use this power over the child in the child's best interest. It is nonetheless a reality that not all parents know (or sometimes desire) the best interest of the child at all times, which, to me, revokes their right of intervention in a child's freedom in said context. So, we can collectively agree upon rules (the function of a democratic government) that delimit what can be considered to be in a child's interest.

I know I'm being overly sensitive here so don't take me too seriously it's just that this shit pisses me off.


Why not avoid the inevitable then and turn all children over to the state after birth, the government is never wrong, food science is never revised. People are too stupid to always make good decisions so the government should just go ahead and make those decisions for them. As another poster said, baby steps, baby steps.  Stop being a fucking baby and just jump straight to the inevitable.



sethnintendo on 29 June 2017
SanAndreasX said:
JWeinCom said:
I'm tentatively ok with this, depending on where the money goes. If it goes towards things like nutrition education for children, subsidies for healthful food, etc, I'm ok with it.

It won't, it never does. Goes straight into the pockets of politicians, or to cover shortfalls in other areas of government that were mismanaged. Same as red light cameras.

Enough with these petty cash grabs.

 

Oh there is a shortfall... more like a huge shortfall. Illinois is one of the most fucked up states right now and this will do nothing to fix the mess they are in now. I believe they are still selling lottery tickets while not even able to pay the winners which should be fraud. This has been apparently happening since 2015 at least since there is a Time article from 2015 about it and even more recent articles such as this one from this year. http://www.americanow.com/story/society/2017/03/29/illinois-refuses-pay-more-288-million-lottery-winnings

Mr Puggsly on 30 June 2017
Teeqoz said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Generally these taxes have affected any drink with added sugar in them.

So any juice with added sweetner, even 0 calorie sweetereners, get hit with this tax. So cranberry juice would get hit given that generally has added sugar. But it also adds a tax to milk alternitives like soy milk.

Its just a bullshit way to raise tax revenue and will have zero impact on public health. Its a scam left wing cities keep falling for.

0 calorie sweeteners aren't 0 calorie though haha. Take Splenda for instance, it has just as much calories per gram (or per pound or whatever unit you want to use) as normal sugar.

Artificial sweeteners are sweeter than sugar, so less in mass is added.

I think in the US products can be labled 0 calorie as long as the serving is under 5 calories. So a 20 oz beverage being 4~ calories is still really low.



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Mr Puggsly on 30 June 2017
malistix1985 said:
Get more people to drink water seems like a fine idea.

Why not just tax obesity?

Ever seen the cows at a buffet? Their problem isn't a lack of water.



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