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Forums - Politics Discussion - Illinois sweetened beverage tax goes into effect July 1st 2017-moved to the 12th now

barneystinson69 said:
naruball said:

I wonder what statistics actually show. Anecdotes are meaningless.

Because less YOUNGER people are starting in the first place. There are many other things that can be smoked besides cigarrettes these days. Fact is, not nearly as many older people are actually quitting.

If you're gonna use that word, you're gonna need to provide a source, whether that's obviously true or not.



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Why not just get rid of massive sugar subsidies so the product has to compete fairly on the free market? It is terrible for you and has contributed greatly to the obesity epidemic in the US that started in the 1980s.



monocle_layton said:
Ganoncrotch said:

What if you're a diabetic who needs sugar at times, this fucking tax really makes life hell for people like myself, they halved the amount of sugar which is lucozade means that I now have to use other methods of getting sugar back up when I'm in need including now bringing around 2 bottles instead of one because idiots don't understand that taking sugar away from drinks isn't going to stop people making bad choices and drinking more if you want it.

There we go- if you're diabetic, then you aren't super healthy.

 

The US has a huge issue with obesity. Michelle tried reforming school lunches, they kept pushing exercise everywhere, and now we see fat tax. What else can we do? The food industry obviously won't help- it'll only make it worse. After all, many industries paid scientists to fabricate studies in their favour. It's why people avoid fats but are fine with eating sugar, grains, dairy, and red meat to their graves

 

I feel bad for people like you. Diabetes isn't fun for anyone. Trust me, having relatives with it lets me know they cannot control it. However, is soda the only efficient way to solve your sugar issue? My cousin uses lollipops or candy typically

Come work out with me and see who is healthier.

I use glocuse tablets on occassions when bllod sugar drops.  Normally testing regularly and adjusted insulin is enough.

I don't drink soft drinks or eat candy. I occassionally enjoy some alcohol and have to adjust accordingly.



Nymeria said:
monocle_layton said:

There we go- if you're diabetic, then you aren't super healthy.

 

The US has a huge issue with obesity. Michelle tried reforming school lunches, they kept pushing exercise everywhere, and now we see fat tax. What else can we do? The food industry obviously won't help- it'll only make it worse. After all, many industries paid scientists to fabricate studies in their favour. It's why people avoid fats but are fine with eating sugar, grains, dairy, and red meat to their graves

 

I feel bad for people like you. Diabetes isn't fun for anyone. Trust me, having relatives with it lets me know they cannot control it. However, is soda the only efficient way to solve your sugar issue? My cousin uses lollipops or candy typically

Come work out with me and see who is healthier.

I use glocuse tablets on occassions when blood sugar drops.  Normally testing regularly and adjusted insulin is enough.

I don't drink soft drinks or eat candy. I occassionally enjoy some alcohol and have to adjust accordingly.

I said that I made a mistake mixing type 1 and type 2 together. Most people who have type 1 diabetes can still live a normal life- they just need to take tablets or whatever the heck is needed. It wouldn't be a shock if someone is stronger than me and has type 1 diabetes. 

 

I My first sentence was vague though; I should've clarified I was talking about those with type 2, not type 1.



spurgeonryan said:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-cook-county-soda-tax-preview-0625-biz-20170622-story.html

 

Currently it is only for Cook county, which is mostly Chicago and it's suburbs. The tax includes drinks with less that 50 percent milk, Soda, mixes that have sugar in them, juice, etc.

To go further the tax is not just a few cents per drink, it is a penny per ounce! How is that fair to anyone? This is not the same as sin tax which we have on tobacco and alcohol or the tax that is on ammunition. Those items are not something that everyone buys. You want a bad habit, then that is what you pay.

The sweetened beverage tax attacks everyone, including businesses in Cook county. It will cause such a large migration of shoppers that Cook county will lose more in sales tax than they will gain from suckers who are stuck paying this fee. By the way, the poor, whome I feel this tax should have been aimed at to help better their life, are not affected. Food stamps do not have sales tax.

Time will tell what the actual goal of this horrible tax. For now families across Illinois will have to suffer.

 

Thoughts?

Drinking soda and sugary drinks is a bad habit. Most people used to smoke pre 70s as well. Thats why you introduce the tax to lowre those numbers.



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monocle_layton said:

I My first sentence was vague though; I should've clarified I was talking about those with type 2, not type 1.

Thank you. It's a condition too often stigmatized and had people assume the worst about my lifestyle due to it.  Regularly eat chicken breasts and broccoli, and drink protien shakes and yet still get judged due to lack of awareness.



Nymeria said:
monocle_layton said:

I My first sentence was vague though; I should've clarified I was talking about those with type 2, not type 1.

Thank you. It's a condition too often stigmatized and had people assume the worst about my lifestyle due to it.  Regularly eat chicken breasts and broccoli, and drink protien shakes and yet still get judged due to lack of awareness.

Trust me, I wasn't trying to put down diabetics. My family has a history of diabetes, so it'd be rude for me to do so.

 

I suppose the issue honestly is the fact that type 1 and 2 come due to entirely different reasons, but a lot of people tend to forget that type 1 is typically due to genetics (and not health). I won't lie- until a few years ago, I always believed both came from being overweight. Definitely deserves more attention



Ganoncrotch said:
SuperNova said:

 

This tax doesn't attack anyone. It's probably in effect to steer people away from obesity and unhealthy life choices by incentevising, natural non-articficially sweetend juices and tees as well as water over sodas and all that crap that rots your teeth away and gives you a heart attack by 50.

It sucks that your store is right on the border and that you might loose buisness because it isn't a nationwide law, but it isn't neccissarily a bad law.

One of my friends in primary school had that problem, he would go cataconic if he needed sugar. Bananas and grapes as well as other fruit with high sugar percentages work well. You could also just always carry a Dextro-Energy packet, to be sure. You're not neccissarly dependent on sodas or candy bars to help yourself with that.

I've been diabetic for the majority of my life ;.; although I do appreciate the info I also... know this very well and always have a pack of dextrose pills with me as well, slightly more difficult to eat 47g of dried sugar though in a pinch than a drink of lucozade.

Also a diabetic should never ever eat a candy bar to treat hypoglycemia, those are laced with fats which actually slow down the sugar being absorbed as well as being very unhealthy a way to treat the condition since you are basically taking what you need (sugar) along with a load of fat for no reason, would be like having cough medicine with oil poured in it for a cough :o

I'm sorry man, that sucks. :(  I wasn't trying to come off, preachy btw. obviously you'd know your illness very well, but I thought I'd still write it just in case.

And yeah, chomping down on dry hardened sugar is harder, especially if you're already a little too low on blood sugar. There's some that dissolve very fast with a sip of water I think, that might help a little.

I did not know about the candy bars, but thinking about it, it makes sense. I knew that fats slow down sugar absorbtion, so I should have made the connection.



SuperNova said:
Ganoncrotch said:

I've been diabetic for the majority of my life ;.; although I do appreciate the info I also... know this very well and always have a pack of dextrose pills with me as well, slightly more difficult to eat 47g of dried sugar though in a pinch than a drink of lucozade.

Also a diabetic should never ever eat a candy bar to treat hypoglycemia, those are laced with fats which actually slow down the sugar being absorbed as well as being very unhealthy a way to treat the condition since you are basically taking what you need (sugar) along with a load of fat for no reason, would be like having cough medicine with oil poured in it for a cough :o

I'm sorry man, that sucks. :(  I wasn't trying to come off, preachy btw. obviously you'd know your illness very well, but I thought I'd still write it just in case.

And yeah, chomping down on dry hardened sugar is harder, especially if you're already a little too low on blood sugar. There's some that dissolve very fast with a sip of water I think, that might help a little.

I did not know about the candy bars, but thinking about it, it makes sense. I knew that fats slow down sugar absorbtion, so I should have made the connection.

Oh yeah, and as much as Type 1 isn't really something which comes hand in hand with overweight, the fat in candy bars definitely doesn't do anyone any favours, especially if you are eating them as "medicine" to combat low sugar levels often.

And NP with the preachy preach, there are things which I learn and adjust every so often with diabetes, I'm about to offer some advice myself but they likely already know it well themselves too!

 

Also... Being diabetic doesn't really suck :) it's just jabs in the finger in the worst times... (ya know... exercise *wink wink*) and injections when I eat pretty much anything, once you get used to it, it's just a part of my life, I love life so I take all my jabs and stabs and get on with it :) there are far worse untreatable things I could have!



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Nymeria said:
monocle_layton said:

There we go- if you're diabetic, then you aren't super healthy.

 

The US has a huge issue with obesity. Michelle tried reforming school lunches, they kept pushing exercise everywhere, and now we see fat tax. What else can we do? The food industry obviously won't help- it'll only make it worse. After all, many industries paid scientists to fabricate studies in their favour. It's why people avoid fats but are fine with eating sugar, grains, dairy, and red meat to their graves

 

I feel bad for people like you. Diabetes isn't fun for anyone. Trust me, having relatives with it lets me know they cannot control it. However, is soda the only efficient way to solve your sugar issue? My cousin uses lollipops or candy typically

Come work out with me and see who is healthier.

I use glocuse tablets on occassions when bllod sugar drops.  Normally testing regularly and adjusted insulin is enough.

I don't drink soft drinks or eat candy. I occassionally enjoy some alcohol and have to adjust accordingly.

Wondering what you happen to use for testing Nymeria, wasn't aware of there being a T1 presense on here :) but I recently picked up a number of

Accu Chek Mobile, testers, the site behind them was offering the testers for free (because then you get their test cartridges for use and they make tons of cash that way via the gov) But the tester is sooo user friendly it's great, has a cartridge in it with 50 tests, just open the lid, jab finger with the lancet on the side (which contains a barrel of 6 difference lances in one) and put the drop on, then the cart rolls up another one for the next time you need to test, no messing about with bits of tin foil trying to get a test strip out when you need to check it.

I may sound like an accu chek shill... but they're really great testers.



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