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Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:

Great job completely once again completely mischaracterizing what I actually say on this site. If by "very strong points and facts" you mean  extremely positive assumptions based on little more than wishful thinking", then you might be a little more accurate. See what constitutes a "fact" is actually an objective thing. Ideas don't become facts just because you want them to. But I've also never said Nintendo is stupid, or even impled as such.

You are now again pushing your narrative and passing over strong points and facts. Strong points and facts like fact that Nintendo merged their home console hardware and handheld hardware divisions, and fact they merged their home console software and handheld software divisions, fact that Nintendo talked and admitted they can't any more support effectively two different platforms, fact that Switch is already handheld in same time and point there is no reason at all to release another handheld platform or to continue with DS line alongside Switch. You basically deny all this facts and strong points that all point that almost certain Nintendo will not release different handheld platform or continue with DS line and that instead we will have Switch Mini/Pocket.

And like @RolStoppable wrote: "When Pokémon Ultra Sun/Moon was announced, you were quick to beat the drum of Switch not being the successor to both the Wii U and 3DS. A week later the next big Pokémon title was announced for Switch, but apparently that doesn't count as evidence for there not being a separate 3DS successor". That really tells alot about you and your narrative.

Man this is ridiculous. I've never denied any of the actual facts you posted above, but some of the things you posted above are actually your opinion. But that's par for the course for the likes of you - treating your opinion as facts and expecting others to. There are many ways to interpret the actual facts you posted above that actually do lead to Nintendo releasing a 3DS successor, but you refuse to accept that possibility, and then have the audacity to say that I am in denial? Don't kid yourself. Your interpretation of the facts is just that - your interpretation. It is in no way the only way to interpret them, despite what your arrogant authoritarian posturing suggests.

As for what RolStoppable wrote, again that's more hyperbolic bullshit. I never said that the Switch isnt the successor to the Wii U and 3DS. I've never once made that claim in spite many of you claim I have.  I simply laughed how many of you thought it was so fucking obvious that Nintendo was announcing a core pokemon game for the Switch in that Direct. Sorrynotsorry for rubbing your shit-eating arrogance in your faces, because it's obvious to anyione that the collective lot of you don't know nearly as much as you think you do when it comes to Nintendo, yet you continue to act like you know everything, and anyone who dares question you is an ignorant pleeb. The first actual legitimate evidence that there may not be a 3DS successor was the core pokemon announcement at E3, and even then, that might not turn out to be the game you think it is. Of course, once again, this is yet another example of arrogant exclamations that your interpretation of the fact is the only possible correct one. But let's not let reality get in the way of your fucking tunnel vision.

I mean what the fuck happens if Nintendo actually comes out and announces a 3DS successor? You, and the others on this site that act like such authorities on all things Nintendo what I wrote might as well commit seppuku in front of Nintendo's headquarters, because you and I both know there's no coming back from that. You might as well quit the site if that day comes.



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Why would anyone buy a 2nd Nintendo portable line?

In a year they'll be able to easily offer a Tegra X2 Switch which is smaller and has double the battery life of the current Switch. So there goes your "yeah but battery life and system size is a problem) arguement. 

So what exactly would be the appeal of a DS3/Game Boy? Switch would get all the main Nintendo IP, it's already confirmed for the next mainline Pokemon RPG too. And Switch will scale down in cost too over time. So it'll be $199.99 in a few years. So there goes your price arguement. 

I mean they can do whatever they want ... I just don't see who would buy it. People who are cheap and don't want to spend much on portable gaming are mostly going to play on smartphones/tablets.

More likely IMO they scale the current Switch down to replace the 3DS, and then release a higher end Switch with PS4/XBOne performance + VR ability in 2020 or so (Tegra X3 processor) for take over the higher end $300 price bracket. Older Switch model continues to sell at $199.99. 

So all you'll see is a continual flush of the high end model becoming the cheap model and a new model replacing the former high end model. That way Nintendo continues to get in effect a "dual pillar" hardware setup that they have now with the Switch + 3DS, but they still get all the benefits of a unifed library (large singular userbase that all their IP games can sell to rather than being split up in two, unified dev resources for more games on one platform).



Soundwave said:

Why would anyone buy a 2nd Nintendo portable line?

In a year they'll be able to easily offer a Tegra X2 Switch which is smaller and has double the battery life of the current Switch. So there goes your "yeah but battery life and system size is a problem) arguement. 

So what exactly would be the appeal of a DS3/Game Boy? Switch would get all the main Nintendo IP, it's already confirmed for the next mainline Pokemon RPG too. And Switch will scale down in cost too over time. So it'll be $199.99 in a few years. So there goes your price arguement. 

I mean they can do whatever they want ... I just don't see who would buy it. People who are cheap and don't want to spend much on portable gaming are mostly going to play on smartphones/tablets.

More likely IMO they scale the current Switch down to replace the 3DS, and then release a higher end Switch with PS4/XBOne performance + VR ability in 2020 or so (Tegra X3 processor) for take over the higher end $300 price bracket. Older Switch model continues to sell at $199.99. 

So all you'll see is a continual flush of the high end model becoming the cheap model and a new model replacing the former high end model. That way Nintendo continues to get in effect a "dual pillar" hardware setup that they have now with the Switch + 3DS, but they still get all the benefits of a unifed library (large singular userbase that all their IP games can sell to rather than being split up in two, unified dev resources for more games on one platform).

It honestly feels like a lot of people clamouring for a new handheld just want to selfishly keep dual screen gaming or want something they can stuff into their pockets while maintaining handheld exclusives.  It's like they don't care about the consequences of splitting developer resources again or adding to game development cycles as long as they get what they want.



I think everyone has made the point but I want to add some things that haven't been mentioned yet (or they have and I can't read)

 

  • Nintendo's markets were split - One interesting thing about the DS and 3DS was that the US was the biggest market (in terms of total sales) for the DS but Japan was the biggest market with the 3DS. At the same time, despite the Wii being a huge hit in the US, in Japan, it sold less than the NES and SNES. Basically, any console Nintendo made was going to appeal to the West and any handheld was going to appeal to Japan. And each system needed 3D Mario, 2D Mario, Mario Kart and now Smash Bros. Nintendo makes about 7-8 games a year. In a 5-6 console life, Nintendo was making a lot of repeats. Also, as Rol alluded to, it's not effective anymore to focus on two systems. Development times are getting longer and longer.  You can't develop for two systems anymore
  • Droughts - This goes along with the first point, but Nintendo saw that a major reason the Wii U failed was because of hardware droughts. The Wii U's first two quarters were actually pretty good. The system was selling well in the beginning (and it had a ton of third party games). The system fell off in 2013 as nothing released for it (there were other issues too but this is the one Nintendo is honing in on). Nintendo is able to have a constant flow of software because they were only making games for one
  • The "third pillar." - I think you misunderstood why Nintendo had the third pillar and it has nothing to do with backwards compatibility. With the "third pillar" Nintendo was giving themselves an out. If the DS succeeded, the Gameboy brand would fade out. If not, Nintendo would say "lol, just kidding. Here's a new Gameboy." The same is true here. Nintendo wasn't sure if this new strategy would work so they are keeping the 3DS alive. If the Switch failed "lol here is a new 3DS." The New 2DS XL is not unlike the Gameboy Micro. Also, unlike the Wii U, it's still selling. Kimishima has said they aren't sticking to the structured console lifecycle, so Nintendo will "support" the 3DS until it stops selling. The "third pillar" was just a Plan B as the 3DS is now.
  • 3DS Games - One thing you mention is that Nintendo is still making 3DS games; however, all of the games they are releasing are made by other developers. Pikmin is from the new Artoon (not sure their name). Ever Oasis is from Grezzo. Pokemon Company does their own thing (they are actually a separate company), and Metroid: Samus Returns is being made by MercurySteam. The only game Nintendo's internal companies have made for the 3DS is Fire Emblem Echoes.  
  • Shareholder's Argument - You made this weird argument about shareholders which tells me you don't do much with stocks. Investors care about returns. If Nintendo can do that with one system vs two, then what do they care.  The  Board and Management have a fiduciary duty to the shareholders to maximize the value and longevity of the company. If the two system approach is not going to do that, then they are expected to change course. The shareholders might be more upset if Nintendo tried to have two systems and shareholder knew the strategy wasn't feasible. They won't get shocked because of a "lowering of the ceiling." It's a dumb point because earnings will likely be up, and Nintendo's share price is increasing
  • The Nintendo Switch is a handheld - The reason your arguments sucked is because the Nintendo Switch is a handheld. You argument relies on this idea that Switch is not a handheld despite being able to play it anywhere (which is the whole point of a handheld isn't it). 

 



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potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:

You are now again pushing your narrative and passing over strong points and facts. Strong points and facts like fact that Nintendo merged their home console hardware and handheld hardware divisions, and fact they merged their home console software and handheld software divisions, fact that Nintendo talked and admitted they can't any more support effectively two different platforms, fact that Switch is already handheld in same time and point there is no reason at all to release another handheld platform or to continue with DS line alongside Switch. You basically deny all this facts and strong points that all point that almost certain Nintendo will not release different handheld platform or continue with DS line and that instead we will have Switch Mini/Pocket.

And like @RolStoppable wrote: "When Pokémon Ultra Sun/Moon was announced, you were quick to beat the drum of Switch not being the successor to both the Wii U and 3DS. A week later the next big Pokémon title was announced for Switch, but apparently that doesn't count as evidence for there not being a separate 3DS successor". That really tells alot about you and your narrative.

Man this is ridiculous. I've never denied any of the actual facts you posted above, but some of the things you posted above are actually your opinion. But that's par for the course for the likes of you - treating your opinion as facts and expecting others to. There are many ways to interpret the actual facts you posted above that actually do lead to Nintendo releasing a 3DS successor, but you refuse to accept that possibility, and then have the audacity to say that I am in denial? Don't kid yourself. Your interpretation of the facts is just that - your interpretation. It is in no way the only way to interpret them, despite what your arrogant authoritarian posturing suggests.

As for what RolStoppable wrote, again that's more hyperbolic bullshit. I never said that the Switch isnt the successor to the Wii U and 3DS. I've never once made that claim in spite many of you claim I have.  I simply laughed how many of you thought it was so fucking obvious that Nintendo was announcing a core pokemon game for the Switch in that Direct. Sorrynotsorry for rubbing your shit-eating arrogance in your faces, because it's obvious to anyione that the collective lot of you don't know nearly as much as you think you do when it comes to Nintendo, yet you continue to act like you know everything, and anyone who dares question you is an ignorant pleeb. The first actual legitimate evidence that there may not be a 3DS successor was the core pokemon announcement at E3, and even then, that might not turn out to be the game you think it is. Of course, once again, this is yet another example of arrogant exclamations that your interpretation of the fact is the only possible correct one. But let's not let reality get in the way of your fucking tunnel vision.

I mean what the fuck happens if Nintendo actually comes out and announces a 3DS successor? You, and the others on this site that act like such authorities on all things Nintendo what I wrote might as well commit seppuku in front of Nintendo's headquarters, because you and I both know there's no coming back from that. You might as well quit the site if that day comes.

Actually only thing that I wrote and that is my opinion and very strong point, is that "there is no reason at all to release another handheld platform or to continue with DS line alongside Switch", and that is based on clear facts I mentioned (Nintendo merged their home console hardware and handheld hardware divisions, and they merged their home console software and handheld software divisions, fact that Nintendo talked and admitted they can't any more support effectively two different platforms, fact that Switch is already handheld in same time). There is always posibilite for different handheld platform or to continue with DS line, but point is that is highly unlikely now when we have Switch (there is even possibility that Nintendo will abonded Switch next year, but that also highly unlikely), and instead we will almost certain have Switch Mini/Pocket, and thats what most people here are saying to you, while you from some reason keep pushing highly unlikely scenario.



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Ehhh.. I dunno man. I feel with the Switch on it's own makes the most sense to me. All the development studios working on the same system to get a steady flow of games out along with periodic smartphone game releases seems to be what they are going for.



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Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:

Man this is ridiculous. I've never denied any of the actual facts you posted above, but some of the things you posted above are actually your opinion. But that's par for the course for the likes of you - treating your opinion as facts and expecting others to. There are many ways to interpret the actual facts you posted above that actually do lead to Nintendo releasing a 3DS successor, but you refuse to accept that possibility, and then have the audacity to say that I am in denial? Don't kid yourself. Your interpretation of the facts is just that - your interpretation. It is in no way the only way to interpret them, despite what your arrogant authoritarian posturing suggests.

As for what RolStoppable wrote, again that's more hyperbolic bullshit. I never said that the Switch isnt the successor to the Wii U and 3DS. I've never once made that claim in spite many of you claim I have.  I simply laughed how many of you thought it was so fucking obvious that Nintendo was announcing a core pokemon game for the Switch in that Direct. Sorrynotsorry for rubbing your shit-eating arrogance in your faces, because it's obvious to anyione that the collective lot of you don't know nearly as much as you think you do when it comes to Nintendo, yet you continue to act like you know everything, and anyone who dares question you is an ignorant pleeb. The first actual legitimate evidence that there may not be a 3DS successor was the core pokemon announcement at E3, and even then, that might not turn out to be the game you think it is. Of course, once again, this is yet another example of arrogant exclamations that your interpretation of the fact is the only possible correct one. But let's not let reality get in the way of your fucking tunnel vision.

I mean what the fuck happens if Nintendo actually comes out and announces a 3DS successor? You, and the others on this site that act like such authorities on all things Nintendo what I wrote might as well commit seppuku in front of Nintendo's headquarters, because you and I both know there's no coming back from that. You might as well quit the site if that day comes.

Actually only thing that I wrote and that is my opinion and very strong point, is that "there is no reason at all to release another handheld platform or to continue with DS line alongside Switch", and that is based on clear facts I mentioned (Nintendo merged their home console hardware and handheld hardware divisions, and they merged their home console software and handheld software divisions, fact that Nintendo talked and admitted they can't any more support effectively two different platforms, fact that Switch is already handheld in same time). There is always posibilite for different handheld platform or to continue with DS line, but point is that is highly unlikely now when we have Switch (there is even possibility that Nintendo will abonded Switch next year, but that also highly unlikely), and instead we will almost certain have Switch Mini/Pocket, and thats what most people here are saying to you, while you from some reason keep pushing highly unlikely scenario.

Again, because apparently this still hasn't sunk into you, you are treating your interpretation of what these facts (and opinions) mean as if it's an objective fact, as if your interpretation is 99.9% correct, and it's not even remotely possible you might be wrong.

This is not true.

The fact that you say ""there is no reason at all to release another handheld platform or to continue with DS line alongside Switch" means that you are ignoring facts and information because that is objectively false. The fact that you seem to equate Nintendo releasing a 3DS successor with the likelihood of Nintendo abandoning the Switch altogether next year is as clear of an indicator you can get of just how arrogant and over-confident you're being.
 That's really all there is to it.



potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:

Actually only thing that I wrote and that is my opinion and very strong point, is that "there is no reason at all to release another handheld platform or to continue with DS line alongside Switch", and that is based on clear facts I mentioned (Nintendo merged their home console hardware and handheld hardware divisions, and they merged their home console software and handheld software divisions, fact that Nintendo talked and admitted they can't any more support effectively two different platforms, fact that Switch is already handheld in same time). There is always posibilite for different handheld platform or to continue with DS line, but point is that is highly unlikely now when we have Switch (there is even possibility that Nintendo will abonded Switch next year, but that also highly unlikely), and instead we will almost certain have Switch Mini/Pocket, and thats what most people here are saying to you, while you from some reason keep pushing highly unlikely scenario.

Again, because apparently this still hasn't sunk into you, you are treating your interpretation of what these facts (and opinions) mean as if it's an objective fact, as if your interpretation is 99.9% correct, and it's not even remotely possible you might be wrong.

This is not true.

The fact that you say ""there is no reason at all to release another handheld platform or to continue with DS line alongside Switch" means that you are ignoring facts and information because that is objectively false. The fact that you seem to equate Nintendo releasing a 3DS successor with the likelihood of Nintendo abandoning the Switch altogether next year is as clear of an indicator you can get of just how arrogant and over-confident you're being.
 That's really all there is to it.

Yes, there is no reason at all to release another handheld platform or to continue with DS line alongside Switch, and yes I am very confident about point that Nintendo will not release another handheld platform or to continue with DS line alongside Switch.



Erm there main system is a handheld, what did people not get about their Fusion conference, going forward they will have one system to do both, this was outlined like 2 years ago before switch was even announced.



Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:

Again, because apparently this still hasn't sunk into you, you are treating your interpretation of what these facts (and opinions) mean as if it's an objective fact, as if your interpretation is 99.9% correct, and it's not even remotely possible you might be wrong.

This is not true.

The fact that you say ""there is no reason at all to release another handheld platform or to continue with DS line alongside Switch" means that you are ignoring facts and information because that is objectively false. The fact that you seem to equate Nintendo releasing a 3DS successor with the likelihood of Nintendo abandoning the Switch altogether next year is as clear of an indicator you can get of just how arrogant and over-confident you're being.
 That's really all there is to it.

Yes, there is no reason at all to release another handheld platform or to continue with DS line alongside Switch, and yes I am very confident about point that Nintendo will not release another handheld platform or to continue with DS line alongside Switch.

Sure there is! You just dismiss them, while shitting on others for apparently "ignoring facts" when in reality all they're doing is taking those facts into consideration with others you're dismissing, and coming to the conclusion that it's not nearly so obvious as you want to pretend it is.