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RolStoppable said:

People call you a Nintendo hater because you cling to remote possibilities that have a less than 1% likelihood to happen in order to cast doubt. This topic is exactly such a case. While the evidence is pointing towards Switch being the only Nintendo platform going forward, you can't help yourself and continue with your "It could play out differently. Mind you, I am not saying it will happen, I am only saying it could happen." If you have a habit of putting out bad case scenarios for Nintendo, then it shouldn't surprise you that you are perceived as a hater, because your behavior matches the behavior of a hater.

yep, he constantly uses the argument, "Nintendo has done dumb things in the past so they probably will in the future" but never uses the same logic for Sony/Microsoft despite them making huge blunders that cost billions.



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zorg1000 said:
RolStoppable said:

People call you a Nintendo hater because you cling to remote possibilities that have a less than 1% likelihood to happen in order to cast doubt. This topic is exactly such a case. While the evidence is pointing towards Switch being the only Nintendo platform going forward, you can't help yourself and continue with your "It could play out differently. Mind you, I am not saying it will happen, I am only saying it could happen." If you have a habit of putting out bad case scenarios for Nintendo, then it shouldn't surprise you that you are perceived as a hater, because your behavior matches the behavior of a hater.

yep, he constantly uses the argument, "Nintendo has done dumb things in the past so they probably will in the future" but never uses the same logic for Sony/Microsoft despite them making huge blunders that cost billions.

This is patently false. I was one of those people that was actually relieved to hear that a "core" Pokemon game is coming to the Switch. I've called Sony/MS out for their bullshit plenty of times as well. A recent example of this is the many comments I've made about the needless nonsense that is the PS4 Pro and X1X, and why those should not exist. But since you don't really care about defending those platforms, you don't really see me do that. I tend to call Sony out for more bullshit than MS because I have no interest in what MS does with Xbox since I have a capable gaming PC.

I call bullshit when I see it. Always. I don't give anyone a free pass. It just so happens Nintendo has been up to more bullshit than Sony and MS lately.



potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

yep, he constantly uses the argument, "Nintendo has done dumb things in the past so they probably will in the future" but never uses the same logic for Sony/Microsoft despite them making huge blunders that cost billions.

This is patently false. I was one of those people that was actually relieved to hear that a "core" Pokemon game is coming to the Switch. I've called Sony/MS out for their bullshit plenty of times as well. A recent example of this is the many comments I've made about the needless nonsense that is the PS4 Pro and X1X, and why those should not exist. But since you don't really care about defending those platforms, you don't really see me do that. I tend to call Sony out for more bullshit than MS because I have no interest in what MS does with Xbox since I have a capable gaming PC.

I call bullshit when I see it. Always. I don't give anyone a free pass. It just so happens Nintendo has been up to more bullshit than Sony and MS lately.

like i said, you have literally used the argument that they have done dumb things so they will do so again and on multiple occasions called them out on being greedy and said they limit freedom.

these are all things the others are guilty of yet you ignore.

 

the example you gave about Pro/X being unnecessary is pretty much the only negative thing i have seen you say about Sony/Microsoft.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

It has an almost 70 million install base, no need to retire it yet.



potato_hamster said:
Dulfite said:

False, I'd love the mainline series to be on switch. I just don't want to get my hopes up. We've had rpg like Pokemon games on consoles before and they haven't been the mainline series.

No dufflite, I don't think you understand. If you don't take everything Nintendo says and does in the most validating way possible to support what some would believe is a great thing Nintendo should be doing, then you're a nintendo hater who wants to spin everything Nintendo says. Just look at how many people on this site legitimately believe I'm a Nintendo hater because I have the audacity to call them out for their bullshit when they do bullshit things.

Didn't you say you had market research that showed Nintendo fans were more cunty than other fans? Didn't you say Switch was overpriced when in reality there's never been a cheaper portable-home console combo? Didn't you say Mario Kart not having unlimited red shells was poor/lazy game design? Didn't you also say Nintendo 'could' make a new portable not because of the reasons in the OP but because they're greedy and/or dumb, just like the Nintendo fans who buy remasters?

Strange that anyone would think you dislike Nintendo.



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Pyro as Bill said:
potato_hamster said:

No dufflite, I don't think you understand. If you don't take everything Nintendo says and does in the most validating way possible to support what some would believe is a great thing Nintendo should be doing, then you're a nintendo hater who wants to spin everything Nintendo says. Just look at how many people on this site legitimately believe I'm a Nintendo hater because I have the audacity to call them out for their bullshit when they do bullshit things.

Didn't you say you had market research that showed Nintendo fans were more cunty than other fans? Didn't you say Switch was overpriced when in reality there's never been a cheaper portable-home console combo? Didn't you say Mario Kart not having unlimited red shells was poor/lazy game design? Didn't you also say Nintendo 'could' make a new portable not because of the reasons in the OP but because they're greedy and/or dumb, just like the Nintendo fans who buy remasters?

Strange that anyone would think you dislike Nintendo.

"Didn't you say you had market research that showed Nintendo fans were more cunty than other fans? "

I don't think I've ever used the word "cunty" in my life, so no, I definitely didn't say that.

"Didn't you say Switch was overpriced when in reality there's never been a cheaper portable-home console combo?"

It's also the most expensive "portable-home combo" by default. I still believe it, and many of its accessories are overpriced. It's the main reason I do not currently own a Switch. It's going to have to shed at least $100 off the price before I'll get one.

"Didn't you say Mario Kart not having unlimited red shells was poor/lazy game design?"

I have never thought that, so I definitely haven't said it. I'm not even sure if I've ever talked about Mario Kart gameplay on this site. Perhaps you're confusing my argument that the weapon durability system for BotW is fundamentally. Even still, all that means is that I don't believe Nintendo (or anyone for that matter) makes perfect games. That doesn't mean I hate the game, or Nintendo.

" Didn't you also say Nintendo 'could' make a new portable not because of the reasons in the OP but because they're greedy and/or dumb, just like the Nintendo fans who buy remasters?"

There are a bunch of reasons Nintendo would make a new 3DS, and one of those reasons is that Nintendo knows a large chunk of its fanbase are willing to buy multiple copies of the same game. I'm not sure why you think I thought that was the only reason.

It's no wonder people like you think I hate Nintendo when you can't even get your facts straight about what I have and haven't said.. Even if I did say all of those things, how does any of that mean that I hate the company and, more importantly, don't buy their products. I've easily spent thousands of dollars  on Nintendo products over the course of my life time. That seems like an awful lot of money to spend on a form of entertainment I apparently hate.



zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:

This is patently false. I was one of those people that was actually relieved to hear that a "core" Pokemon game is coming to the Switch. I've called Sony/MS out for their bullshit plenty of times as well. A recent example of this is the many comments I've made about the needless nonsense that is the PS4 Pro and X1X, and why those should not exist. But since you don't really care about defending those platforms, you don't really see me do that. I tend to call Sony out for more bullshit than MS because I have no interest in what MS does with Xbox since I have a capable gaming PC.

I call bullshit when I see it. Always. I don't give anyone a free pass. It just so happens Nintendo has been up to more bullshit than Sony and MS lately.

like i said, you have literally used the argument that they have done dumb things so they will do so again and on multiple occasions called them out on being greedy and said they limit freedom.

these are all things the others are guilty of yet you ignore.

 

the example you gave about Pro/X being unnecessary is pretty much the only negative thing i have seen you say about Sony/Microsoft.

I have never once used the argument that they have done dumb things so they will make dumb things. I said they have done dumb things so it's foolish to assume they won't do dumb things. But again, arguing against things I've never said (which is a textbook definiton of a strawman argument) tends to be par or the course around here.

Yes, Sony and MS are guilty of both making greedy decisions, and limiting player freedom. What makes you think I'm ignoring it even if I haven't talked about it on this site? Most of the time much of what I would say is already covered by other posters. What do I have to add to the conversation by simply repeating what others have said one more time? It's not like I can "like a post" like on facebook to show I agree with it. Besides, what do you expect? For me to keep track of the number of times I've shit on Nintnendo, Sony and MS to make sure they're all equal?

As for what I said against Sony and MS - I've made close to 5000 posts on this site in a little over 2 years. Just because you didn't see me say something doesn't mean I haven't said it.




potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

like i said, you have literally used the argument that they have done dumb things so they will do so again and on multiple occasions called them out on being greedy and said they limit freedom.

these are all things the others are guilty of yet you ignore.

 

the example you gave about Pro/X being unnecessary is pretty much the only negative thing i have seen you say about Sony/Microsoft.

I have never once used the argument that they have done dumb things so they will make dumb things. I said they have done dumb things so it's foolish to assume they won't do dumb things. But again, arguing against things I've never said (which is a textbook definiton of a strawman argument) tends to be par or the course around here.

Yes, Sony and MS are guilty of both making greedy decisions, and limiting player freedom. What makes you think I'm ignoring it even if I haven't talked about it on this site? Most of the time much of what I would say is already covered by other posters. What do I have to add to the conversation by simply repeating what others have said one more time? It's not like I can "like a post" like on facebook to show I agree with it. Besides, what do you expect? For me to keep track of the number of times I've shit on Nintnendo, Sony and MS to make sure they're all equal?

As for what I said against Sony and MS - I've made close to 5000 posts on this site in a little over 2 years. Just because you didn't see me say something doesn't mean I haven't said it.


1. essentially the same thing, my point remains.

 

2. it doesnt make any sense to single out a company and criticize them for something that holds true for the entire industry.

 

3. true, but there is no denying that you have been far harsher on Nintendo than MS/Sony despite them being just as bad, if not worse than Nintendo on many occassions. almost everything you post in Nintendo threads is negative so its no surprise people think you are biased against them.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

Whether or not they DO keep the 3DS line alive is immaterial.

What MATTERS, is that the entire point of the Switch gimmick, becomes a pointless and expensive garnish, if they're NOT going to go the full mile and treat the system like their home console AND portable, all in one. The mind-numbing arguments people put forth as to WHY 3DS should keep going, really don't matter. What DOES matter, is that OK, if you're going to keep your portable line going, then having Switch functionally be a PORTABLE console as well, is now utterly pointless. It's a frivolous gimmick that actually holds the system hardware back. They could have easily spent the money that they did on the "Hybrid" nature of the system, not to mention the needless bells and whistles like "HD Rumble", and made the console ITSELF more powerful, a more powerful HOME unit, more "future-proofed" versus the competition.

The Switch's power level matters LESS, if it is the HYBRID that it was obviously intended to be. IF it was treated like the ONE Nintendo system on the market, where gamers went for ALL of their Nintendo gaming, home OR portable, then that power, as a PORTABLE, is suddenly impressive, and it makes more sense, because the system acts as a bridge between both. If the 3DS line is just going to keep going, that suddenly becomes a "nice but unnecessary" gimmick, and you're left with a home system with pointlessly weak hardware, in comparison to PS4 and Xbox One, let alone PS4 Pro and Xbox One X.

It isn't ALL about power, no. But when you stop to consider the fact that, at the end of the day, Switch hardware is probably not capable of producing graphics and game experiences ALL that much more advanced that Wii U, you start to realize how this is all kind of a "HUH"? Move on Nintendo's part. Me personally, I LIKED the idea of it being a TRUE Hybrid. I LIKED the idea of all the games you would usually find on Wii U and 3DS, now being on ONE "Unified Platform" (their own words). That alone held a lot of appeal to me, in addition to it being a "home system you can take on the go". But if 3DS is going to keep going, and going to keep having it's own exclusive games, it makes Switch start to feel like less of a brilliant idea, and at least a BIT more of a gimmick that is going to wear thin over time.



zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:

I have never once used the argument that they have done dumb things so they will make dumb things. I said they have done dumb things so it's foolish to assume they won't do dumb things. But again, arguing against things I've never said (which is a textbook definiton of a strawman argument) tends to be par or the course around here.

Yes, Sony and MS are guilty of both making greedy decisions, and limiting player freedom. What makes you think I'm ignoring it even if I haven't talked about it on this site? Most of the time much of what I would say is already covered by other posters. What do I have to add to the conversation by simply repeating what others have said one more time? It's not like I can "like a post" like on facebook to show I agree with it. Besides, what do you expect? For me to keep track of the number of times I've shit on Nintnendo, Sony and MS to make sure they're all equal?

As for what I said against Sony and MS - I've made close to 5000 posts on this site in a little over 2 years. Just because you didn't see me say something doesn't mean I haven't said it.


1. essentially the same thing, my point remains.

 

2. it doesnt make any sense to single out a company and criticize them for something that holds true for the entire industry.

 

3. true, but there is no denying that you have been far harsher on Nintendo than MS/Sony despite them being just as bad, if not worse than Nintendo on many occassions. almost everything you post in Nintendo threads is negative so its no surprise people think you are biased against them.


1. Not essentially the same thing at all. One thing makes me sound like I think Nitnendo is a bunch of bumbling idiots that can't learn from their mistakes, and the other acknowledges that Nintendo is full of human beings who aren't perfect, so I don't assume they won't make bad decisions.

2. Ohh okay. Should people make sure they dump on Sega and their bad decisions around the Sega CD and 32X every time they want to talk about a poor choice Nintendo made about the Super Nintendo? No? Why should do effectively the same thing?

I'm not singling out any one company. It just so happens that many conversations on this site about Nintendo feature people holding Nintendo to different standards than they do Sony and MS. I hope this isn't a point of contention, because it seems pretty obvious to me. But besides that, I have no obligation to focus on the big three equally. If I choose to comment of Nitnendo's bullshit more, that's my perogative. That still doesn't mean I hate or even dislike Nintendo. Do you praise Sony, Nintendo and MS equally? Do you shit on Sony, Nintendo and MS equally? I bet you don't, so why are you expecting the same from me?

3. See the whole thing about MS/Sony being "just as bad, if not worse", that's a matter of subjective opinion. I do see Nintendo as overal being worse than Sony on a consistent basis especially since joining the site, and MS is such a non-player to me in the video game space that I really don't care about their bullshit. But that brings up a logical inconsistency doesn't it? I call Sony out on their bullshit far, far more than I call MS out on theirs. By the same logic you're using to claim that I'm "biased" against them, doesn't that mean that I should also be "biased in favor of MS" since I by my own admission, I shit on them the least? That's completely non-sensical.

But still, Even if I do call out Nintendo on their bullshit by a large margin more than the other two, that still doesn't mean I hate or dislike them. I scold my kid far more than I scold his friends for acting like little shits. Does that mean I'm biased against my kid? Of course not.

I wasn't on this site during the PS3 launch, so you didn't get subjected to the ravings I made about that console's launch, and how many balls were dropped.  I wasn't on this site when I had the frustrating experience of playing my legal copy of Monster Hunter with a friend who was playing on a modded PSP, and his game ran much better than mine. I wasn't on this site when Sony spent 20 minutes with that stupid AR book bullshit during E3. I came on this site in the middle of Sony getting their groove back on the PS4, and making a lot of right choices too keep that console experience awesome while Nintendo was in the middle of fucking up the Wii U, the bullshit that is the NES Classic, and the launch of the Switch. But that doesn't mean I didn't shit all over Sony to my friends, and other corners of the internet when that Sony bullshit happened, I just wasn't here shitting on Sony at the time.

But hey, if you want to keep making assumptions about me, be my guest.