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Well, 3DS is on its 6th year. It won't stay around for long. They will either launch a successor (unlikely) or wait until Switch becomes cheap enough to make 3DS obsolete, probably with a dockless SKU and a revision to make it more portable (smaller bezels).

The reasoning to say that a successor is unlikely is that, when the Switch reaches less than 200 bucks, it makes a portable completely useless. The home console gets the best titles, handhelds get cheap spin-offs. The few franchises that were handheld-only are going to the Switch.

A mini Switch as you said, is a likely scenario. We just don't know if they will want to release a SKU incompatible with the dock, so it can have the size of a 3DS.



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RolStoppable said:

I gave up reading at the halfway point because you had already engaged in too many fallacies.

Switch continues the line of Nintendo home consoles and Nintendo handhelds at the same time, that's just how it is. I am willing to provide you with a smackdown for each of your points, if you are interested in getting shown the light.

Here's the response to your first point: The comparison to the GBA and DS is indeed faulty because Switch was never called a third pillar. When the DS launched, we truly had a situation where Nintendo supported GC, GBA and DS in 2005, hence why it was justified that they called the DS a third pillar. If the DS had failed, they could have fallen back on the Game Boy brand as if nothing happened, because the GBA got supported appropriately.

But Switch could never be a third pillar because it was already a given that Wii U support would end as soon as NX launched. You can't have a third pillar when there are only two platforms (Switch and 3DS). After this is established, it's necessary to look at the support that Nintendo's platforms are receiving. The 3DS isn't sitting as pretty as the GBA did. The GBA got more high profile software than the DS in 2005 while the 3DS is without a doubt getting second rate treatment in comparison with Switch.

Feel free to do so, talk is cheap after all... at least without additional talk that supports the claims of the initial talk :D

As for your first criticism, the Nx being described as a third pillar in all but name was something I only discovered while researching this thread. When first announced, Iwata told people the launch of the Nx would not spell the end of support for the 3DS and Wii U, and that they were talking with developers to make sure the Wii U and 3DS continued to receive releases and software once the Nx launched. This obviously proved to be largely untrue as far as the Wii U is concerned, but it was a claim that Nintendo felt it had to make to keep people buying Wii U's in the meantime. The rest of your paragraph is essentially exactly what I stated, so we don't seem to be disagreeing there.

Otherwise, I've never bought the "Third Pillar" claims and certainly don't believe Nintendo could maintain three hardware platforms simultaneously. I'm not sure where you got that impression, but I was merely mentioning how they've marketed things in the past to hedge their bets. Regardless, you seem to be ignoring the crucial backwards compatibility of the DS with GBA games, rendering the GBA virtually pointless. That's a key difference that guaranteed the GBA would be phased out unless the DS was absolutely rejected by consumers.



torok said:
Well, 3DS is on its 6th year. It won't stay around for long. They will either launch a successor (unlikely) or wait until Switch becomes cheap enough to make 3DS obsolete, probably with a dockless SKU and a revision to make it more portable (smaller bezels).

The reasoning to say that a successor is unlikely is that, when the Switch reaches less than 200 bucks, it makes a portable completely useless. The home console gets the best titles, handhelds get cheap spin-offs. The few franchises that were handheld-only are going to the Switch.

A mini Switch as you said, is a likely scenario. We just don't know if they will want to release a SKU incompatible with the dock, so it can have the size of a 3DS.

Yeah, in that situation though Nintendo really hasn't abandoned their two platform approach. That's really the key observation here: Nintendo has always provided two different platforms at different price points via the handheld and console markets, and while the 3DS will inevitably be retired there's definitely a chance that some variation of the Switch takes its place.



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zorg1000 said:
you're wrong

You have swayed me.

Besides, all I'm suggesting is we not make assumptions. I recall making a similar thread about the possibility of a future console employing something akin to flash memory cards as a medium for games in the future, and some were similarly confident that such a notion was ridiculous.



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Nintendo are definitely not currently designing the successor to the 3DS - it already exists, and it's called the Switch. Nintendo may release a smaller Switch further down the line to help with portability, but it will still contain the ability to dock into the TV, and will share the same library as the current Switch.

Nintendo have already combined their handheld and home console development teams together, there's no way they're releasing another non-Switch handheld before the end of this generation.



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radishhead said:
Nintendo are definitely not currently designing the successor to the 3DS - it already exists, and it's called the Switch. Nintendo may release a smaller Switch further down the line to help with portability, but it will still contain the ability to dock into the TV, and will share the same library as the current Switch.

Nintendo have already combined their handheld and home console development teams together, there's no way they're releasing another non-Switch handheld before the end of this generation.

To an extent I agree, which is why I suggested the likely future involves a mini Switch filling that handheld void. The key point is that there's a very good chance Nintendo will continue to support multiple platforms as opposed to only supporting one. That could certainly be two variations of the same overall design, with one featuring stronger hardware and a higher price point than the other, perhaps mimicking to a degree the current mid-gen refresh trend but with the superior hardware being the focus of AAA games.

*Edit* One thing I do disagree with is that the Switch was their only designed console that was planned to replace both of their other platforms, though. There's no chance they'd bank their entire future on one piece of hardware with a very ambitious and experimental design that followed in the wake of their weakest selling console of all time. They definitely were working on other things as well, and to think Nintendo wasn't tinkering with future handheld models is really darn difficult given their history.



Johnw1104 said:
zorg1000 said:
you're wrong

You have swayed me.

Besides, all I'm suggesting is we not make assumptions. I recall making a similar thread about the possibility of a future console employing something akin to flash memory cards as a medium for games in the future, and some were similarly confident that such a notion was ridiculous.

Alot of people on this site also thought going with game cards instead of discs was likely to happen with Switch (at the time NX). Myself, Rol & Soundwave are just a few i can think of off the top of my head.



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zorg1000 said:
Johnw1104 said:

You have swayed me.

Besides, all I'm suggesting is we not make assumptions. I recall making a similar thread about the possibility of a future console employing something akin to flash memory cards as a medium for games in the future, and some were similarly confident that such a notion was ridiculous.

Alot of people on this site also thought going with game cards instead of discs was likely to happen with Switch (at the time NX). Myself, Rol & Soundwave are just a few i can think of off the top of my head.

I think I remember you guys from my thread actually lol



RolStoppable said:
Johnw1104 said:

Feel free to do so, talk is cheap after all :D

As for your first criticism, the Nx being described as a third pillar in all but name was something I only discovered while researching this thread. When first announced, Iwata told people the launch of the Nx would not spell the end of support for the 3DS and Wii U, and that they were talking with developers to make sure the Wii U and 3DS continued to receive releases and software once the Nx launched. This obviously proved to be largely untrue as far as the Wii U is concerned, but it was a claim that Nintendo felt it had to make to keep people buying Wii U's in the meantime. The rest of your paragraph is essentially exactly what I stated, so we don't seem to be disagreeing there.

Otherwise, I've never bought the "Third Pillar" claims and certainly don't believe Nintendo could maintain three hardware platforms simultaneously. I'm not sure where you got that impression, but I was merely mentioning how they've marketed things in the past to hedge their bets. Regardless, you seem to be ignoring the crucial backwards compatibility of the DS with GBA games, rendering the GBA virtually pointless. That's a key difference that guaranteed the GBA would be phased out unless the DS was absolutely rejected by consumers.

That Nintendo never used the term "third pillar" to describe NX/Switch is all anyone needs to know. This term carries weight and therefore it's avoided intentionally when it doesn't get mentioned. I'd actually like to ignore this third pillar thing altogether because it works neither as a pro or a con for your greater claim.

Point 2: Indeed, Nintendo won't leave the handheld market. But since Switch is a hybrid and therefore incorporates handheld needs, Nintendo doesn't need to create a separate 3DS successor to remain in the handheld market. For further evidence, look at the country where handhelds reign supreme; Switch is already being accepted as the 3DS successor.

Point 3: Nintendo had two platforms in the past not because of safety reasons, but because technology required it. Having two separate platforms is the reason why one wouldn't do so well at times, because the split development resources didn't allow for the necessary support. So now that technology doesn't constitute an obstacle anymore, Nintendo moves to a single platform because that's much safer for business. Additionally, it's better to have one successful platform than having one success and one failure on your hands.

Point 4: This is already addressed in the final sentence of my rebuttal to point 3.

Point 5: Switch revisions can solve all of that. The hardware can be shrunk, the price can get lower, the form factor can be changed, all depending on what is deemed necessary. Remember that the 3DS launched with a single model at $250 and didn't serve the prices and form factors of the DS family. Revisions take care of such stuff.

Point 6: There are no laws that forbid games with lower development budgets.

Point 7: You really are an idiot. There's no need for a separate handheld line to sell Switch as a hybrid. The market accepts Switch as a hybrid because it offers all the functionality that is expected from a Nintendo home console. This is your worst point by far and you must have tripped and hit your head on the edge of a table or something. Or maybe you assumed nobody will be reading until that point while at the same time a huge list increases credibility for your argument.

Point 8: Kimishima has commented on this and told investors that Nintendo is always working on new hardware, but there is no separate 3DS successor planned to release anytime soon. This points towards Switch truly being the successor to both the Wii U and 3DS. Also, mainline Pokémon was announced.

Point 9: This goes back to point 3. There's no benefit in splitting development resources.

Point 10: A Nintendo handheld receiving first party support after its successor has already launched is normal. The DS received the exclusive Pokémon Black/White 2 about 15 months after the 3DS had launched (Japanese dates). Also, once again, Switch serves the handheld market, so your entire premise of an exit is wrong.

im so glad you posted this because you just saved me from basically writing the same thing.



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