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potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

Thats still not nearly the same thing.

A PSP3 that is similar in power and shares 90% of its games with PS4 is not redundant because it has the added functionality of being portable.

A 3DS successor that is similar in power and shares 90% of its games with Switch is redundant because the portability aspect is already present.

Personally, I don't think a device that is bigger than a Vita and has a battery life of less than two hours is really that portable to begin with. That's just me though. I don't really want to argue over whether or not the Switch is truly a portable or not, so I'll just go by what Nintendo has said on many different occasions.

"Nintendo Switch is a home gaming system first and foremost."

I'm going to leave it at that.

Wait, hasnt the majority of my argument been about a potential revision being able to solve the portability issue by being smaller, cheaper, having better battery thus making a seperate handheld redundant? So why are you backtracking and only talking about the current model now?

also nice double standard, you have said on a dozen occassions not to buy into PR talk and here you are using PR talk to support your argument........



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zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:

Personally, I don't think a device that is bigger than a Vita and has a battery life of less than two hours is really that portable to begin with. That's just me though. I don't really want to argue over whether or not the Switch is truly a portable or not, so I'll just go by what Nintendo has said on many different occasions.

"Nintendo Switch is a home gaming system first and foremost."

I'm going to leave it at that.

Wait, hasnt the majority of my argument been about a potential revision being able to solve the portability issue by being smaller, cheaper, having better battery thus making a seperate handheld redundant? So why are you backtracking and only talking about the current model now?

also nice double standard, you have said on a dozen occassions not to buy into PR talk and here you are using PR talk to support your argument........

Yes, you've been arguiong against strawman. Nowhere have I even given the remote impression that Nintendo couldn't solve these issues with a handheld-centric Switch revision. There are many ways to create a solution to deal with the Switch's portability issue, you're acting as if there is just one. You're acting as if I think a non-switch handheld is a better idea. You acting as if I think a non-switch handheld is more likely than a "switch mini" or whatever you want to call it. I don't. All I demonstrated was that there is a better than 1% chance that Nintendo does put out a non-Switch handheld that is a 3DS successor. If Nintendo wants to do it, they can do so in such a way that they're not really supporting two seperate platforms. That's it.

You're acting as if you know that Nintendo is willing to release a Switch without removable Joycons. You act as if you know Nitnendo is willing to release a Switch without motion controls. You act as if Nitnendo is willing to release a Switch that isn't dockable to a television. You act as if you know that Nintendo is willing to release a Switch that has backwards compatibility to 3DS/DS games. Nintendo might not be willing to do anything of those things. That might not be a Switch Nintendo is willing to make, but considering what the 3DS is, they would probably be willing to make a 3DS successor that does all of those things.

It reminds me of all the people that this it's obvious that Toyota should release a 86 with a turbocharger. There are many that argue that there's no reason why they shouldn't do it. But the truth is, they likely never will because they appear to genuinely believe that a turbo does not belong on that car, that if you install a turbo on a 86 it will "become a different car". That's literally their reasoning.  But you can buy a Camry with a turbo. That's right. Toyota is happy to put a turbo in a family-oriented Camry, but refuse to put one in the only sports car in their line up. Because that is not a car they want to make.

That's not to say that Toyota is dumb, it's just to say that they have a vision of what their product is, and the experience that product offers, and they're not willing to stray from it. The same thing could easily be going on with Nintendo.

and, because some people on this site apparently have trouble reading, I am not saying this is what Nintendo thinks. I am not claiming to know Nintendo's vision. I'm just developing a reasoning behind why they might want to release a 3DS successor instead of a more portable Switch in spite of how obvious many of you think it is.



potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

Wait, hasnt the majority of my argument been about a potential revision being able to solve the portability issue by being smaller, cheaper, having better battery thus making a seperate handheld redundant? So why are you backtracking and only talking about the current model now?

also nice double standard, you have said on a dozen occassions not to buy into PR talk and here you are using PR talk to support your argument........

Yes, you've been arguiong against strawman. Nowhere have I even given the remote impression that Nintendo couldn't solve these issues with a handheld-centric Switch revision. There are many ways to create a solution to deal with the Switch's portability issue, you're acting as if there is just one. You're acting as if I think a non-switch handheld is a better idea. You acting as if I think a non-switch handheld is more likely than a "switch mini" or whatever you want to call it. I don't. All I demonstrated was that there is a better than 1% chance that Nintendo does put out a non-Switch handheld that is a 3DS successor. If Nintendo wants to do it, they can do so in such a way that they're not really supporting two seperate platforms. That's it.

You're acting as if you know that Nintendo is willing to release a Switch without removable Joycons. You act as if you know Nitnendo is willing to release a Switch without motion controls. You act as if Nitnendo is willing to release a Switch that isn't dockable to a television. You act as if you know that Nintendo is willing to release a Switch that has backwards compatibility to 3DS/DS games. Nintendo might not be willing to do anything of those things. That might not be a Switch Nintendo is willing to make, but considering what the 3DS is, they would probably be willing to make a 3DS successor that does all of those things.

It reminds me of all the people that this it's obvious that Toyota should release a 86 with a turbocharger. There are many that argue that there's no reason why they shouldn't do it. But the truth is, they likely never will because they appear to genuinely believe that a turbo does not belong on that car, that if you install a turbo on a 86 it will "become a different car". That's literally their reasoning.  But you can buy a Camry with a turbo. That's right. Toyota is happy to put a turbo in a family-oriented Camry, but refuse to put one in the only sports car in their line up. Because that is not a car they want to make.

That's not to say that Toyota is dumb, it's just to say that they have a vision of what their product is, and the experience that product offers, and they're not willing to stray from it. The same thing could easily be going on with Nintendo.

and, because some people on this site apparently have trouble reading, I am not saying this is what Nintendo thinks. I am not claiming to know Nintendo's vision. I'm just developing a reasoning behind why they might want to release a 3DS successor instead of a more portable Switch in spite of how obvious many of you think it is.

your whole point of arguing with so many people about the same thing is baffling when your argument simply comes down to, "there is a 1% chance of it happening".

we all know there is an insignificant chance of anything happening, that doesnt mean we should all stop expecting the obvious to happen.



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zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:

Yes, you've been arguiong against strawman. Nowhere have I even given the remote impression that Nintendo couldn't solve these issues with a handheld-centric Switch revision. There are many ways to create a solution to deal with the Switch's portability issue, you're acting as if there is just one. You're acting as if I think a non-switch handheld is a better idea. You acting as if I think a non-switch handheld is more likely than a "switch mini" or whatever you want to call it. I don't. All I demonstrated was that there is a better than 1% chance that Nintendo does put out a non-Switch handheld that is a 3DS successor. If Nintendo wants to do it, they can do so in such a way that they're not really supporting two seperate platforms. That's it.

You're acting as if you know that Nintendo is willing to release a Switch without removable Joycons. You act as if you know Nitnendo is willing to release a Switch without motion controls. You act as if Nitnendo is willing to release a Switch that isn't dockable to a television. You act as if you know that Nintendo is willing to release a Switch that has backwards compatibility to 3DS/DS games. Nintendo might not be willing to do anything of those things. That might not be a Switch Nintendo is willing to make, but considering what the 3DS is, they would probably be willing to make a 3DS successor that does all of those things.

It reminds me of all the people that this it's obvious that Toyota should release a 86 with a turbocharger. There are many that argue that there's no reason why they shouldn't do it. But the truth is, they likely never will because they appear to genuinely believe that a turbo does not belong on that car, that if you install a turbo on a 86 it will "become a different car". That's literally their reasoning.  But you can buy a Camry with a turbo. That's right. Toyota is happy to put a turbo in a family-oriented Camry, but refuse to put one in the only sports car in their line up. Because that is not a car they want to make.

That's not to say that Toyota is dumb, it's just to say that they have a vision of what their product is, and the experience that product offers, and they're not willing to stray from it. The same thing could easily be going on with Nintendo.

and, because some people on this site apparently have trouble reading, I am not saying this is what Nintendo thinks. I am not claiming to know Nintendo's vision. I'm just developing a reasoning behind why they might want to release a 3DS successor instead of a more portable Switch in spite of how obvious many of you think it is.

your whole point of arguing with so many people about the same thing is baffling when your argument simply comes down to, "there is a 1% chance of it happening".

we all know there is an insignificant chance of anything happening, that doesnt mean we should all stop expecting the obvious to happen.

Once again you demonstrate that you are having difficulties with your reading comprehension. If that's what you got out of what I just wrote, there's no hope for you.



The only way anyone could give this a greater than 1% chance of happening is if you think Nintendo fans are dumb enough to buy the same games again for an inferior but slightly more portable system.

It's obviously ludicrous unless your the type of person who buys BoTW for Switch and then goes and buys an extra inferior version of BoTW for the inferior WiiU over the space of a few days.



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Pyro as Bill said:
The only way anyone could give this a greater than 1% chance of happening is if you think Nintendo fans are dumb enough to buy the same games again for an inferior but slightly more portable system.

It's obviously ludicrous unless your the type of person who buys BoTW for Switch and then goes and buys an extra inferior version of BoTW for the inferior WiiU over the space of a few days.

... you own a copy of Breath of the Wild on both Wii U and Switch, don't you Bill? If you haven't, Nintendo needs your support, Bill! Don't let them down!

Also have you considered that perhaps Nintendo could be making this 3DS replacement to target people dont own a Switch and aren't interested in buying one? I know that might be a hard concept for you to grasp, but believe it or not, not everyone who enjoys portable gaming wants to buy a Switch as it stands. Some people prefer a smaller form factor, some people prefer a longer battery life. Some people prefer a handheld that doesn't have any removable parts. In fact there may be tens of millions of 3DS owners who would rather not buy a Switch if there was a more appealing alternative. You have people on this very forum that have said that they have no interest in the Switch because it isn't as portable as they would like, why are you ignoring that?

Of course this concept is completely ridiculous if there was both a Switch mini and a 3DS replacement competing against each other, but it's plausible that this Switch is as portable as the Switch ever gets. If that is the case, there's a lot more room for a 3DS replacement than you're willing to admit.



potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

your whole point of arguing with so many people about the same thing is baffling when your argument simply comes down to, "there is a 1% chance of it happening".

we all know there is an insignificant chance of anything happening, that doesnt mean we should all stop expecting the obvious to happen.

Once again you demonstrate that you are having difficulties with your reading comprehension. If that's what you got out of what I just wrote, there's no hope for you.

its not what i got from just that last post, its what ive gotten out of your narrative of the last 6-12 months.

you keep starting arguments with people for what they think will happen because of a slight chance of something else happening.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:

Once again you demonstrate that you are having difficulties with your reading comprehension. If that's what you got out of what I just wrote, there's no hope for you.

its not what i got from just that last post, its what ive gotten out of your narrative of the last 6-12 months.

you keep starting arguments with people for what they think will happen because of a slight chance of something else happening.

Take a look through this thread. I didn't start an argument with anyone. You guys attacked me for daring suggest that things are not nearly as crystal clear as they're  pretending they are.