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potato_hamster said:
Conina said:

That's a great plan! Instead of offering a Switch mini that can play 98% - 99% of the Switch catalog without accessories (and 100% if you buy a pair of joy-cons) make a separate platform and split up development teams again!

...why do you have to split up development teams? Do you have to split up development teams to make the docked and undocked mode of the Switch?  I said in my original pitch that this would effectively be a new optional operating mode for the switch that can be developed for along side the Switch or seperate from the Switch depending on the game that strips out a lot of Switch features such as Joy con support, multi-controller support, different operating modes etc. It would be far less work to support than it would be to develop a PS4/XB1 multiplatform game.

So..........you're basically saying the same thing? Increase the number of devices in the Switch family rather than an entirely new platform?

I'm having a hard time following what you're proposing at this point, you're saying it's a seperate platform than proceeding to describe essentially the same thing as others with minor differences.



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zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:

...why do you have to split up development teams? Do you have to split up development teams to make the docked and undocked mode of the Switch?  I said in my original pitch that this would effectively be a new optional operating mode for the switch that can be developed for along side the Switch or seperate from the Switch depending on the game that strips out a lot of Switch features such as Joy con support, multi-controller support, different operating modes etc. It would be far less work to support than it would be to develop a PS4/XB1 multiplatform game.

So..........you're basically saying the same thing? Increase the number of devices in the Switch family rather than an entirely new platform?

I'm having a hard time following what you're proposing at this point, you're saying it's a seperate platform than proceeding to describe essentially the same thing as others with minor differences.

It wouldn't be a Switch. A Switch has joy con controllers. This wouldn't. A Switch has gyroscopes and accelorometers. This wouldn't. A Switch has the ability to be connect to your television via a dock and utilize an added performance mode. This wouldn't. A Switch has the ability to connect multiple controllers for local multiplayer. This wouldn't. A Switch plays Switch game carts. This wouldn't. A Switch doesn't play 3DS/DS game carts. This would. There could be other hardware features this console has that the Switch doesn't have, such as multi-handheld internetless multi-player, or control schemes such as a more accurate, multi-capacitive touch screen that developers could develop specifically to utilize if they so choose

It's similar to a Switch but not a Switch. It would be very easy to co-develop for both the Switch and this platform, to develop for the switch and this other platform seperately. It gives both potential consumers and developers more options to buy something that suits their needs.



potato_hamster said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe wasn't on the WiiU. Even if it was, what's wrong with rebuying it if you no longer have/use the WiiU? Or you want a portable version? You're suggesting 'hardcore' Nintendo fans would buy 2 copies of the exact same game, to be used in the exact same way, for 2 (or more?) systems existing side by side. 

Do you think people who bought more than one DS bought all their games a second or third time?

Ohh I'm sorry, just make "Mario Kart 8 Deluxe: Portable" with a new outfit for each character, and it's a day one buy for you. Let's not kid ourselves here Bill.

Do you think it's unreasonable if someone buys MS Office twice, once for desktop and again for their laptop? Or getting Netflix for their phone when they already have it on PC?

You seem to be holding a grudge against Nintendo because they didn't let you use your NES carts in your Gameboy. There are legitimate differences in power between a home system and a portable system. This is why they had to have separate software. It wasn't because they're greedy Spud.



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Pyro as Bill said:
potato_hamster said:

Ohh I'm sorry, just make "Mario Kart 8 Deluxe: Portable" with a new outfit for each character, and it's a day one buy for you. Let's not kid ourselves here Bill.

Do you think it's unreasonable if someone buys MS Office twice, once for desktop and again for their laptop? Or getting Netflix for their phone when they already have it on PC?

You seem to be holding a grudge against Nintendo because they didn't let you use your NES carts in your Gameboy. There are legitimate differences in power between a home system and a portable system. This is why they had to have separate software. It wasn't because they're greedy Spud.

It's amazing how you think all of those examples actually demonstrate that my concept is ridiculous. Were you upset when Mario Maker 3DS was released and WIi U owners didn't get a free copy, even though the games are practically identical? Something tells me you weren't.



potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

So..........you're basically saying the same thing? Increase the number of devices in the Switch family rather than an entirely new platform?

I'm having a hard time following what you're proposing at this point, you're saying it's a seperate platform than proceeding to describe essentially the same thing as others with minor differences.

It wouldn't be a Switch. A Switch has joy con controllers. This wouldn't. A Switch has gyroscopes and accelorometers. This wouldn't. A Switch has the ability to be connect to your television via a dock and utilize an added performance mode. This wouldn't. A Switch has the ability to connect multiple controllers for local multiplayer. This wouldn't. A Switch plays Switch game carts. This wouldn't. A Switch doesn't play 3DS/DS game carts. This would. There could be other hardware features this console has that the Switch doesn't have, such as multi-handheld internetless multi-player, or control schemes such as a more accurate, multi-capacitive touch screen that developers could develop specifically to utilize if they so choose

It's similar to a Switch but not a Switch. It would be very easy to co-develop for both the Switch and this platform, to develop for the switch and this other platform seperately. It gives both potential consumers and developers more options to buy something that suits their needs.

sounds like the most pointless thing in the world when a simple revision could handle most of these things.

A revision can lack Joy-Cons.

A revision doesnt have to be able to hook up to a TV or have increased performance.

Switch could incorporate DS/3DS backwards compatibility digitally like XBO does with 360 or Wii U does with Wii & DS.

Multi-handheld internetless multiplayer i believe already exists on Switch.

Nintendo cant make a revision without Joy-Cons but they can make a backwards compatible 3DS successor without gyrometer/accelerometers?

 

Honestly at this point it feels like you are arguing for the sake of argument



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potato_hamster said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Do you think it's unreasonable if someone buys MS Office twice, once for desktop and again for their laptop? Or getting Netflix for their phone when they already have it on PC?

You seem to be holding a grudge against Nintendo because they didn't let you use your NES carts in your Gameboy. There are legitimate differences in power between a home system and a portable system. This is why they had to have separate software. It wasn't because they're greedy Spud.

It's amazing how you think all of those examples actually demonstrate that my concept is ridiculous. Were you upset when Mario Maker 3DS was released and WIi U owners didn't get a free copy, even though the games are practically identical? Something tells me you weren't.

You don't need me to demonstrate how ridiculous your concept is. That's why there's not even a 0.1% chance Nintendo will do it.

WiiU owners don't deserve Mario Maker. That tablet was for pointless, assymetric gameplay not good games. WiiU owners made their bed.

If Nintendo had to spend time and resources on developing MM for a different system they deserve to reap the profits, don't they? Do you expect EA to give away a free XB1/PC/Switch copy of FIFA when they buy the PS4 version?



Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!

potato_hamster said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Do you think it's unreasonable if someone buys MS Office twice, once for desktop and again for their laptop? Or getting Netflix for their phone when they already have it on PC?

You seem to be holding a grudge against Nintendo because they didn't let you use your NES carts in your Gameboy. There are legitimate differences in power between a home system and a portable system. This is why they had to have separate software. It wasn't because they're greedy Spud.

It's amazing how you think all of those examples actually demonstrate that my concept is ridiculous. Were you upset when Mario Maker 3DS was released and WIi U owners didn't get a free copy, even though the games are practically identical? Something tells me you weren't.

3DS & Wii U are seperate platforms though so thats not a good comparison.

 If people had to rebuy their 3DS gsmes to play them on 2DS or New 3DS than you would have a point.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:

It's amazing how you think all of those examples actually demonstrate that my concept is ridiculous. Were you upset when Mario Maker 3DS was released and WIi U owners didn't get a free copy, even though the games are practically identical? Something tells me you weren't.

3DS & Wii U are seperate platforms though so thats not a good comparison.

 If people had to rebuy their 3DS gsmes to play them on 2DS or New 3DS than you would have a point.

But I'm literally talking about seperate platforms that are extremely easy to port between.... I'm not talking about a 2DS vs a 3DS. I'm talking about a platform that shares the same arcitectual framework as the Switch, as well as a similar operating system, and that's it.

I don't even know why I bother. You read one thing and literally interpret it to mean the opposite of what's it says.



Pyro as Bill said:
potato_hamster said:

It's amazing how you think all of those examples actually demonstrate that my concept is ridiculous. Were you upset when Mario Maker 3DS was released and WIi U owners didn't get a free copy, even though the games are practically identical? Something tells me you weren't.

You don't need me to demonstrate how ridiculous your concept is. That's why there's not even a 0.1% chance Nintendo will do it.

WiiU owners don't deserve Mario Maker. That tablet was for pointless, assymetric gameplay not good games. WiiU owners made their bed.

If Nintendo had to spend time and resources on developing MM for a different system they deserve to reap the profits, don't they? Do you expect EA to give away a free XB1/PC/Switch copy of FIFA when they buy the PS4 version?

No... I don't expect EA to give away from copies of FIFA.... why do you think this is philisopically equivalent to platform concept I'm suggesting as a possibility?  I'm literally saying that since development between the two platforms is so difficult if developers want to they have the option - let me stress that again, in bold - the option of selling it as a package between the two platforms, similar how there are many "cross-buy" titles between the PS4, PS3 and Vita. They would also have the option of selling the game on seperate platforms seperately, similar to how Nintendo sold Mario Maker on the Wii U and 3DS seperately.

Why is this such a hard concept for you to grasp? Especially considering it's not even a remotely critical point of my possible 3DS successor from NIntendo?



potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

3DS & Wii U are seperate platforms though so thats not a good comparison.

 If people had to rebuy their 3DS gsmes to play them on 2DS or New 3DS than you would have a point.

But I'm literally talking about seperate platforms that are extremely easy to port between.... I'm not talking about a 2DS vs a 3DS. I'm talking about a platform that shares the same arcitectual framework as the Switch, as well as a similar operating system, and that's it.

I don't even know why I bother. You read one thing and literally interpret it to mean the opposite of what's it says.

so whats the point of 2 seperate platforms then? literally all of the things you gave as examples earlier can happen with a revision or happen with the existing model.

i dont know why you bother either because you constantly come up with nonsensical arguments.



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