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Do you only play narrative games?

Yes 162 39.61%
 
No 247 60.39%
 
Total:409
KLAMarine said:
Ali_16x said:

lol you don't need to count anything, you can tell by the users and everytime there is a "most wanted" or "most anticipated" or "best game of", it's always Nintendo dominated. Or polls of sorts, always Nintendo dominated.

These are some bold claims, Ali. Especially considering how you dismiss the importance of counting.

And now let's put one of your claims to the test by counting and we'll be using the help of axumblade, a user who runs most-wanted threads that count most-wanted titles through votes submitted by users of this very site.

 

September: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=220010

NX+WU+3DS: 1+3+4

PS4+PSV: 10+1

XB1: 5

PC: 1

 

October: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=220917

NS+WU+3DS: 1+3+2

PS4+PSV: 12+1

XB1: 4

PC: 2

 

November: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=222156

NS+WU+3DS: 1+2+2

PS4+PSV: 13+0

XB1: 6

PC: 1

 

December: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=223146

NS+WU+3DS: 3+2+1

PS4+PSV: 15+0

XB1: 4

PC: 0

 

January: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=224227

NS+WU+3DS: 4+1+2

PS4+PSV: 16

XB1: 2

PC: 0

 

February: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=225493

NS+WU+3DS: 5+1+1

PS4+PSV: 14+1

XB1: 2

PC: 1

 

March: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=226345

NS+WU+3DS: 9+1+1

PS4+PSV: 12+0

XB1: 2

PC: 1

 

April: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=227331

NS+WU+3DS: 7+0+1

PS4+PSV: 13+2

XB1: 2

PC: 0

 

May: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=228116

NS+WU+3DS: 6+0+1

PS4+PSV: 15+1

XB1: 1

PC: 1

 

Most-wanted title counts by brand from September of last year to this past May:

September: Nintendo: 8 PlayStation: 11 XBox: 5 PC: 1

October: Nintendo: 6 PlayStation: 13 XBox: 4 PC: 2

November: Nintendo: 5 PlayStation: 13 XBox: 6 PC: 1

December: Nintendo: 6 PlayStation: 15 XBox: 4 PC: 0

January: Nintendo: 7 PlayStation: 16 XBox: 2 PC: 0

February: Nintendo: 7 PlayStation: 15 XBox: 2 PC: 1

March: Nintendo: 11 PlayStation: 12 XBox: 2 PC: 1

April: Nintendo: 8 PlayStation: 15 XBox: 2 PC: 0

May: Nintendo: 7 PlayStation: 16 XBox: 1 PC: 1

 

...Doesn't seem very Nintendo-dominated at least as far as axumblade's most-wanted threads are concerned... I think this flies in the face of:

Ali_16x said:

lol you don't need to count anything, you can tell by the users and everytime there is a "most wanted" or "most anticipated" or "best game of", it's always Nintendo dominated. Or polls of sorts, always Nintendo dominated.

Ali, don't be so quick to dismiss counting...

 

Big thanks to

Excellent work axumblade! That's a lot of counting!

Cuphead is looking good but holy shit is it taking forever for it to come out.


Well there seems to be a miscommunication, what I meant be "dominated" was that the top games are most Nintendo games, which they usually are. Also, of course PS4 is going to have the most, it actually has multiplats LOL, and it also has the most exclusives. So the PS4 having the most is going to happen.



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I like where Sony is going, they give us some of the best games from any publisher out there, their franchises are varied... and if you don't care for narative, get Grand Tourismo or Wipeout... Wipeout never bothered me with a story mode (I can't stand those in racing games) ... as far as games as a service, I could not care less about those and I am not aware of what it hot in that field, but I assume Destiny, Overwatch, etc. are all pretty much what you need to get people's attention these days... but as I said, I don't do online MP, could not care less for it and other than buying DLC when it's something like TLoU: Left Behind or Infamous First Light. and the one that will be released for Uncharted 4...

Not sure what you are worried about? is it because we have been a couple of weeks since the last major major release of an exclusive on the PS4?



Ali_16x said:
KLAMarine said:

These are some bold claims, Ali. Especially considering how you dismiss the importance of counting.

And now let's put one of your claims to the test by counting and we'll be using the help of axumblade, a user who runs most-wanted threads that count most-wanted titles through votes submitted by users of this very site.

 

September: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=220010

NX+WU+3DS: 1+3+4

PS4+PSV: 10+1

XB1: 5

PC: 1

 

October: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=220917

NS+WU+3DS: 1+3+2

PS4+PSV: 12+1

XB1: 4

PC: 2

 

November: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=222156

NS+WU+3DS: 1+2+2

PS4+PSV: 13+0

XB1: 6

PC: 1

 

December: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=223146

NS+WU+3DS: 3+2+1

PS4+PSV: 15+0

XB1: 4

PC: 0

 

January: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=224227

NS+WU+3DS: 4+1+2

PS4+PSV: 16

XB1: 2

PC: 0

 

February: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=225493

NS+WU+3DS: 5+1+1

PS4+PSV: 14+1

XB1: 2

PC: 1

 

March: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=226345

NS+WU+3DS: 9+1+1

PS4+PSV: 12+0

XB1: 2

PC: 1

 

April: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=227331

NS+WU+3DS: 7+0+1

PS4+PSV: 13+2

XB1: 2

PC: 0

 

May: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=228116

NS+WU+3DS: 6+0+1

PS4+PSV: 15+1

XB1: 1

PC: 1

 

Most-wanted title counts by brand from September of last year to this past May:

September: Nintendo: 8 PlayStation: 11 XBox: 5 PC: 1

October: Nintendo: 6 PlayStation: 13 XBox: 4 PC: 2

November: Nintendo: 5 PlayStation: 13 XBox: 6 PC: 1

December: Nintendo: 6 PlayStation: 15 XBox: 4 PC: 0

January: Nintendo: 7 PlayStation: 16 XBox: 2 PC: 0

February: Nintendo: 7 PlayStation: 15 XBox: 2 PC: 1

March: Nintendo: 11 PlayStation: 12 XBox: 2 PC: 1

April: Nintendo: 8 PlayStation: 15 XBox: 2 PC: 0

May: Nintendo: 7 PlayStation: 16 XBox: 1 PC: 1

 

...Doesn't seem very Nintendo-dominated at least as far as axumblade's most-wanted threads are concerned... I think this flies in the face of:

Ali, don't be so quick to dismiss counting...

 

Big thanks to

Excellent work axumblade! That's a lot of counting!

Cuphead is looking good but holy shit is it taking forever for it to come out.


Well there seems to be a miscommunication, what I meant be "dominated" was that the top games are most Nintendo games, which they usually are. Also, of course PS4 is going to have the most, it actually has multiplats LOL, and it also has the most exclusives. So the PS4 having the most is going to happen.

In that case, yes. It's not unusual that a Nintendo title grab the top spot in these lists. Nintendo has some very strong IP but understand that it's not like Nintendo fans can vote for an uber-hyped non-Nintendo title for the Switch. Red Dead Redemption 2 is not coming to Switch nor is Persona 5 or Final Fantasy XV.

Overall, a greater number of PS4 titles rank in these most-wanted lists than any other platform meaning PS4 titles are likely showing up with the greatest frequency in user votes than any other platform. This suggests that there is a higher number of PS fans than any other fanbase. This runs counter to the claim that

Ali_16x said:

Majority of the fans on this site of Nintendo fans.



Ali_16x said:
KLAMarine said:

Who's counting?

lol you don't need to count anything, you can tell by the users and everytime there is a "most wanted" or "most anticipated" or "best game of", it's always Nintendo dominated. Or polls of sorts, always Nintendo dominated.

Btw Ali, what do you make of the apparent Sony domination in the following thread?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=229869



SvennoJ said:
GOWTLOZ said:

Scripted combat? Where did that come from. God of War's combat wasn't scripted at all, only the finishers, much like Mortal Kombat's fatalities. And like those, it was optional in all cases except for boss battles.

That's what I meant. qte in boss battles has never been fun.

That was only the finishers not the whole fight. It makes more sense for a finisher to be QTE Than not interactive, and they wouldn't have been possible with the in game mechanics.

Turkish said:
GOWTLOZ said:

This is an exceprt from an interview of Jim Ryan, courtesy of GameSinners:

This was revealed by Sony’s Jim Ryan in an interview with Glixel, with the article mentioning that the game’s “new, more narrative-focused, open-world approach with a grizzled, bearded Kratos coming as a direct result of Sony’s new global thinking.” Ryan adds that “It’s a franchise that has historically acutely under-performed in Europe. Hack and slash games tend to not do so well in Europe, so the narrative this time around will make a big difference. European gamers love narrative games.”

http://gamesinners.com/news/2017/06/05/god-war-ps4-will-open-world-narrative-focused/

 

Firstly, I thought the gameplay looked great, and the atmosphere was spot on. Also God of War has always been narrative focussed, just a very differnt kind of narrative from your typical Naughty Dog game. But still I disagree with his statement for a variety of reasons.

 

This is wrong fro a variety of reasons. First, its wrong to homogenise all of Sony's franchises into The Last of Us like games, because even with that game's success I'm sure gamers do want varierty of games and if trhey want The Last of Us they have The Last of Us Part II to look forward to.

With this line of thought its also clear that targetting just that segment of the market wouldn't actually benefit any of these games because that segment already has another game to look forward to.

We saw what happens when you have a homogenous set of games, when the market shifts to different kind of products all of your franchises lose appeal at once and you have no backup left to serve the new tastes of the market. I think to a degree that is what happened with Microsoft games outside of Forza this generation, Halo and Gears of War appeal toa fairly similar market and both heavyweight franchises lost their weight at once this generation, while Forza has continued to thrive and Forza Horizon has expanded its audience this generation.

Second, it limits developer's creativity. The reason The Last of Us succeeded in both reviews and sales was that Naughty Dog were allowed to do what the wanted to, given creative freedom, and so they had a passion to make the best kind of product in its niche with The Last of Us. Its success came as a result of that. This is something Sony were good with last generation, that is why we had a diverse lineup of games like Infamous, Uncharted, God of War, Gran Turismo, Resistance, LittleBigPlanet and The Lat of Us. Sony is going to lose the one thing that makes their games stand out from both other first party games and third party games, something that is a reason millions of people play on PlayStation.

Also eventually third parties will see the niche as being successful, make games in the niche and take over Sony's first party games in the niche with their bigger budget due to being able to serve a larger audience. Its an unsustainable business practice and should be left in the dust. Jim Ryan's comment on PS2 backwards compatibility also irked me, he has no right to talk about what gamers want, he didn't even take a sample of gamers to decide what they want, but just that he didn't like PS2 games. So what? I like some PS2 games. Many people do. I can even play them on my PC, so why not on its own family? It makes no sense Sony. If gamers ask for it, give it to them.

Narrative focused doesn't mean it's another TLOU, where did you get this from? Horizon is also narrative focused, is that another TLOU? Literally the only thing Sony said was that they'll continue putting stories in their games like they've always had, it's a shame you wrote a wall of text based on assumptions and misunderstandings. A follow up to this quote is here http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=229780&page=1#

And Sony does make more than cinematic/narrative games too, like Journey, The Last Guardian, Dreams, Gravity Rush 2, Everybody's Golf etc and putting all these remasters of their old non narrative IPs like WipEout and Patapon to see if there's still demand.

Btw, what's up with you posting old articles? This was posted here on the day the article was published. Use the search button, and I gotta ask what's up with bumping your old threads? Like you come back to your threads weeks later lol.

I come to this site once every few weeks lol. Though in this instance I came back in five days haha.

Radek said:

I like the direction Sony's taking, but I also buy shit load of third party games (mostly on PC but they are also on PS4)
There's enough multiplayer shooters, third party support on PS4 is huge so there's a lot to choose from.

If I want multiplayer shooters I can always buy Battlefront 2, Destiny 2, COD WW 2, so I'd much rather have narrative driven open world games like Horizon Zero Dawn over another Killzone.

Can't wait for Crash Bandicoot, Uncharted Lost Legacy,  God Of War, Detroit, Spider-Man, Days Gone, TloU 2...

I didn't say I want multiplayer games. I want single player games that prioritise gameplay over narrative.



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JRPGfan said:

Story & narrative-focused is what I want.
That and RPGs.
So Im good with where things appear to be heading.

Im not really big on multiplayer focused games, and games as a service strategie sounds horrible to me.

I dont mind them trying to renew God of War like this.

Also it seems like 3rd party, and MS are all telling us "games as a service, multiplayer", I think its good sony is saying something differnt.

Summed up my thoughts perfectly. Let MS take a different direction and they can cater to that audience. The direction Sony is taking is great to me I love games that have a focus on narrative (my #1 complaint about dark souls like games). When I heard Sony this it made me so glad that I picked Sony this gen instead of sticking with xbox. 



I read somewhere they plan to change