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Mystro-Sama said:
Whats the difference if its going to China instead of Mexico? Americans still won't get the jobs right?

The difference is now they might not have the money to build the wall :(



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WolfpackN64 said:
Aeolus451 said:

No, it is stealing because you don't own company nor do they owe you for anything you did in trade for that money. You're not entitled to others' money that you didn't earn. End of story. 

Since many companies got state subsidies in some way or another, I'd say most states are entitles to take a piece of the pie as recompensation for both the public good and the workers. How would you keep jobs here without ruining public finances?

It's the choice of a government to subsidize and it depends on their agreement with the company. If a company breaks their agreement, pull any further funding. It's that simple.

If a company moves some of their production to another area, it doesn't give you the right to steal any of their money for whatever stupid reason you try to justify it. If you want them to bring their jobs back, incentivize it by reducing their costs of operating there however you can til you tilt the balance. That doesn't mean decrease their taxes but increase the cost of worker benefits  or up minium wage to where it negates the reduced taxes. It's simple math for the most part. How much does it cost to operate a 5000 employee factory in China compared to California or Ohio. If you can't decrease the costs enough to bring back jobs then they are gone til ya can. Again, you have no right to take any money from them that you didn't earn or because they're being a smart business. 



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Aeolus451 said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Since many companies got state subsidies in some way or another, I'd say most states are entitles to take a piece of the pie as recompensation for both the public good and the workers. How would you keep jobs here without ruining public finances?

It's the choice of a government to subsidize and it depends on their agreement with the company. If a company breaks their agreement, pull any further funding. It's that simple.

If a company moves some of their production to another area, it doesn't give you the right to steal any of their money for whatever stupid reason you try to justify it. If you want them to bring their jobs back, incentivize it by reducing their costs of operating there however you can til you tilt the balance. That doesn't mean decrease their taxes but increase the cost of worker benefits  or up minium wage to where it negates the reduced taxes. It's simple math for the most part. How much does it cost to operate a 5000 employee factory in China compared to California or Ohio. If you can't decrease the costs enough to bring back jobs then they are gone til ya can. Again, you have no right to take any money from them that you didn't earn or because they're being a smart business. 

So your solution to bring companies back is to raise costs by increasing minimum wage or workers benifits? That seems very contradictory to your earlier statements. You're seriously defending the companies here and not the workers? If companies get state subsidies and decide to pull out, the state can recompense itself. And it can do so because the state has the monopoly on violence. I'm willing to go that far. Companies should have a bit of morals concerning their workers, if not, it should be enforced.



Teeqoz said:
Lol, pretty soon, manufacturing jobs won't exist in any country (except for some very few). And I for one welcome our new robot overlords.

I do too, but our society have to change to make the best of our technological options.



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crissindahouse said:

I've been saying China China China China China



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Ka-pi96 said:
WolfpackN64 said:

So your solution to bring companies back is to raise costs by increasing minimum wage or workers benifits? That seems very contradictory to your earlier statements. You're seriously defending the companies here and not the workers? If companies get state subsidies and decide to pull out, the state can recompense itself. And it can do so because the state has the monopoly on violence. I'm willing to go that far. Companies should have a bit of morals concerning their workers, if not, it should be enforced.

I'm sure you've seen movies or books or whatever with some dystopian future led by companies who employ private armies... yeah, if you're proposing governments take the assets of large international companies by force... maybe that's exactly the kind of future you're asking for. Is that really what you want?

Au contraire. It's to curb the ever growing influence of large companies. They need to know their place and that place is beneath the state, like all of us. It doesn't need to be draconian, but the misuse of our economies must stop. Just continue cutting costs to get them back here is not a valid option.



Teeqoz said:
TallSilhouette said:

Unemployment's gonna be a bitch but at least costs and outsourcing will drop.

The economic system will be forced to undergo vast changes, and it will be a painful transitional period, but I think we can make it.

Depends where you live, the issue with countries like USA is that nobody really seem to care if you lose your job. Their are literally millions of prime aged men who gave up on finding a job in the USA who have lost their jobs maybe +5 years ago their transitional period will probably not end. 






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Ka-pi96 said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Au contraire. It's to curb the ever growing influence of large companies. They need to know their place and that place is beneath the state, like all of us. It doesn't need to be draconian, but the misuse of our economies must stop. Just continue cutting costs to get them back here is not a valid option.

Couldn't disagree more. I'm not arrogant enough to be patriotic, so states can burn for all I care. I'd take the side of large companies any day!

So you'd take the organizations that definatly don't care about you over the states that in their love/hate relationship with the public provide social services?