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NightDragon83 said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Of course, but I don't see your point.

So you don't think having the government seize the assets of a private entity for political or economical protectionist purposes would reek of fascism?

Hmm.. what other industries can Uncle Sam take hold of while we're at it... how bout the oil companies?  We'll just say it's for "environmental" purposes.  Or how about all the gun manufacturers so the 2nd ammendment can effectively be abolished?

If you're going to allow government seizure of private assets merely for threatening to move jobs offshore, than might as well do it to the "baddest" of the bunch like Big Oil and guns, amirite?

I said disowning companies should only be done in specific situations (profitable company that received subsidies or used backdoors and IS moving abroad). Don't twist my words. And your definition of fascism is a bit off.



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outlawauron said:
vivster said:

Of course it is. All the jobs would go to illegal immigrants. Or do you think someone who would outsource an entire factory wouldn't take advantage of a much cheaper work force within the US? That's why they're building the wall, right?

But the jobs in a car factory are high skill positions. These typically don't go to illegal immigrants. Immigrants do fill these positions, but through H1B1 visas, etc.

The wall is more about keeping as much of the drug cartel contained as possible. The hundreds of millions worth of hard drugs being smuggled in is the ultimate need that needs to stopped. It empowers the groups selling them to be able to purchase weapons and more product.

The Wall is about Trump feeding red meat to the racist part of his base that he knows he's needs to keep happy. Mexicans are the perfect scapegoat, Muslims would be better but gosh darn it there's just not enough of them in the US to pick on, so Mexicans who clean shit-stained toilets and hotel cum-stained bedsheets and pick fruit in the scorching sun for 12 hours a day are the scape goat for America's problems. 

If he was interested in combating the drug war in a real way, go push for legal marijuana, but of course you don't see Trump doing that. He gives no shit about the actual drug cartels. 



spurgeonryan said:
Even more American Jobs Saved! Now I wish Kmart could turn around. The one next to my house was actually busy and really nice, but their lease was up so they jumped on the close down train as well.

This thread is becoming a fascinating case study on who actually reads the threads they post in, lol. 

Also K-Mart dude? Yeah that ship be sinking faster than the Titanic. 



Soundwave said:
outlawauron said:

But the jobs in a car factory are high skill positions. These typically don't go to illegal immigrants. Immigrants do fill these positions, but through H1B1 visas, etc.

The wall is more about keeping as much of the drug cartel contained as possible. The hundreds of millions worth of hard drugs being smuggled in is the ultimate need that needs to stopped. It empowers the groups selling them to be able to purchase weapons and more product.

The Wall is about Trump feeding red meat to the racist part of his base that he knows he's needs to keep happy. Mexicans are the perfect scapegoat, Muslims would be better but gosh darn it there's just not enough of them in the US to pick on, so Mexicans who clean shit-stained toilets and hotel cum-stained bedsheets and pick fruit in the scorching sun for 12 hours a day are the scape goat for America's problems. 

If he was interested in combating the drug war in a real way, go push for legal marijuana, but of course you don't see Trump doing that. He gives no shit about the actual drug cartels. 

Building the wall is about securing the border, it isnt about keeping out Mexicans. The border between Mexico and the US is a major crossing point for people originating from Mexico and other countries as well.



Superman4 said:
Soundwave said:

The Wall is about Trump feeding red meat to the racist part of his base that he knows he's needs to keep happy. Mexicans are the perfect scapegoat, Muslims would be better but gosh darn it there's just not enough of them in the US to pick on, so Mexicans who clean shit-stained toilets and hotel cum-stained bedsheets and pick fruit in the scorching sun for 12 hours a day are the scape goat for America's problems. 

If he was interested in combating the drug war in a real way, go push for legal marijuana, but of course you don't see Trump doing that. He gives no shit about the actual drug cartels. 

Building the wall is about securing the border, it isnt about keeping out Mexicans. The border between Mexico and the US is a major crossing point for people originating from Mexico and other countries as well.

It's a selling tool. Trump knows the audience he's selling to and a big part of that audience wants to blame Mexicans for everything when in reality they are one of the least of the problems the US has. The audience he has wants to pick on and scape goat a particular group for their problems while they're too dumb to realize they're agreeing to tax plans that will benefit the ultra-rich instead of them, but hey ... we stuck it to that Mexican who's just willing to break his back and work 12 hours a day so we can have cheap produce at the grocery store. 



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Aeolus451 said:
WolfpackN64 said:

And I already explained to you in detail why that doesn't work.

http://www.seattletimes.com/business/retail/latest-study-seattles-wage-law-lifted-restaurant-pay-without-shrinking-jobs/

And maybe you should research things properly before spouting neoliberal nonsense.

..... Do you not read the articles that you source?

First of all, the new study was done by a professor from Berkeley of all schools..... A very liberal school that's been in the news not that long ago that suggests that the staff there might not be so objective on anything.

Further along in that article.

"A city-commissioned report by University of Washington researchers last year reached a more mixed conclusion.

That study said the law indeed helped to raise the hourly pay for low-wage workers.

But it also concluded that while the employment rate for such workers was better than the historical average due to the booming overall economy, the minimum-wage law itself appeared to have slightly lowered their employment rate and hours worked, relative to regional trends."

"Heidi Mann, who with her husband owns a Subway franchise near the Shoreline border, said she had seven employees, including her husband, two years ago. But she’s gradually had to let four of them go and is down to one full-timer, one part-timer and her husband, who’s working 60 hours a week and likely to take on more hours soon, she said.

Because she’s a franchisee, her Subway is considered a big business and must pay $15 an hour. “That’s why our prices are higher than the Subway in Shoreline or the mom-and-pop shop down the street,” Mann said.

She raised the prices of sandwiches an average of 86  cents to help offset the minimum-wage boost, and said she’s lost customers because of the increases."

 

It sounds like this isn't going so well. I'd like to see multiple studies done on this when the full 15 is affecting every business there for a bit. I also want to see how it affects overall hours per employee, weekly/monthly/yearly earnings etc in comparison to before the law took effect.

 


Well Subway isn't exactly a good example to use there are way too many Subway locations in the US 26,646.  Im pretty sure there are a ton of locations in states that have a lot lower minumum wage laws then Seattle that are struggling finacially.   Getting to big too fast can lead to a eventual downfall A&P is prime example of that at one point they where bigger then Walmart.



Hiku said:
Makes sense.
He just handed China a multi billion dollar advantage in the field of green energy jobs a few weeks ago when he pulled out of the Paris climate change agreement.

Explain to me what stops the US from investing in green energy whether they are in the Paris deal or not?



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

Hiku said:
barneystinson69 said:

Explain to me what stops the US from investing in green energy whether they are in the Paris deal or not?

"Anticipating Trump’s announcement, in early May, 25 major U.S. companies — including Apple, Facebook, Mars Incorporated and Morgan Stanley — published a full-page letter in several newspapers that read: “By expanding markets for innovative clean technologies, the agreement generates jobs and economic growthU.S. companies are well positioned to lead in these markets. Withdrawing from the agreement will limit our access to them and could expose us to retaliatory measures.”"

Pulling out of Paris will result in creating jobs in China that could have been created in the United States. And China have siezed this opportunity to become the world leader on this front. They have invested the most (hundreds of billions) into this job sector just in the recent years and the three largest providers of solar panels are already solely Chinese companies. Pulling out of the agreement is part of it, but Trump's reasoning is also an issue. He does it to save a few coal and oil jobs, which are doomed anyway and have been in decline for decades.

So a few private corporations now dictate an entire country? 



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

Reality is illegal immigrants do take jobs away from Americans...

They work for a cheap rate, that Americans can't really live off and end up causing wage deflation in many sectors.

That is why a person working at a fast food point in Denmark can live well, but a person working in mcdonalds in Texas is likely on food stamps.



They probably sell more Ford Foci outside of the states anyway. Probably saves distribution costs as well as labour costs.



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