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riecsou said:
DonFerrari said:

Sure sure, WiiU was a very big risk and mini disk as well. And I'm the one puting words in your mouth.

See you are truly putting word in my mouth cause I never mentioned WiiU

So risk counts on selected systems of Nintendo and are ignored on selected systems of Sony and MS as well, ok.

Yes the company that only posted loss in 2 years ever (not based on risk but bad decisions on 3DS and WiiU at the same time) is the one that take a lot of risk while Sony is playing safe and basically had almost no profit on Playstation...

Do you know what is risk?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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I think Wii U has shown that Nintendo can't get away with shit. They've got to offer quality and compelling stuff. Switch sold brilliantly because Zelda was a launch title. Take Zelda off the table, and put it in as a year 2 release and Switch isn't going to sell anywhere near what it did.

When a launch title is GoTG material for a huge number of people, you can forgive Nintendo for being a bit light on other titles. The good thing is, Nintendo doesn't have to split its development resources across 2 consoles. Their output for Switch should be a helluva lot better than for Wii U. And third parties are going to be more willing to put games on Switch because it's going to have an install base that can't be ignored.



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Sorry, I don't see how getting a bunch of great games I can play anywhere is bad for me. I do see how paid online is bad for me though, for that we have Sony n Microsoft to blame in terms of Nintendo getting this idea and knowing that it works, but ultimately it's Nintendo who's implementing it on their system so only they are to blame, not other companys. Likewise if Sony under delivers then that's purely on them. Stop looking for scapegoats and just accept that your favorite company isn't without flaws.

-Lonely_Dolphin 



dark_gh0st_b0y said:
I only agree with the title

it is bad for gamers, because most gamers have to spend double the money on buying two consoles since with Nintendo it is impossible to have the whole pie...

it could even be a deal between the big three and the 3rd parties, in order to increase consumer spending on gaming, since millions of gamers are forced to spend at least $200 more per gen

wtf! No one is forcing anyone to buy 2 or more systems. If you love Nintendo games you games you buy a Nintendo console. Nintendo + PC would be the cheapest way to get both sides. 



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Einsam_Delphin said:

 

Sorry, I don't see how getting a bunch of great games I can play anywhere is bad for me. I do see how paid online is bad for me though, for that we have Sony n Microsoft to blame in terms of Nintendo getting this idea and knowing that it works, but ultimately it's Nintendo who's implementing it on their system so only they are to blame, not other companys. Likewise if Sony under delivers then that's purely on them. Stop looking for scapegoats and just accept that your favorite company isn't without flaws.

-Lonely_Dolphin 

 

I don't like PSN and XBL are paid services but on those consoles you have big multiplayer titles to play. I don't even know what games you can play online on the Switch.



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germibobi said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

 

Sorry, I don't see how getting a bunch of great games I can play anywhere is bad for me. I do see how paid online is bad for me though, for that we have Sony n Microsoft to blame in terms of Nintendo getting this idea and knowing that it works, but ultimately it's Nintendo who's implementing it on their system so only they are to blame, not other companys. Likewise if Sony under delivers then that's purely on them. Stop looking for scapegoats and just accept that your favorite company isn't without flaws.

-Lonely_Dolphin 

 

I don't like PSN and XBL are paid services but on those consoles you have big multiplayer titles to play. I don't even know what games you can play online on the Switch.

Arms, Splatoon, Mario kart, street fighter 2, fast rmx, Pokkén. Hell my biggest problem with the switch right now is that most of the big releases so far are multiplayer focused experiences. 



germibobi said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

 

Sorry, I don't see how getting a bunch of great games I can play anywhere is bad for me. I do see how paid online is bad for me though, for that we have Sony n Microsoft to blame in terms of Nintendo getting this idea and knowing that it works, but ultimately it's Nintendo who's implementing it on their system so only they are to blame, not other companys. Likewise if Sony under delivers then that's purely on them. Stop looking for scapegoats and just accept that your favorite company isn't without flaws.

-Lonely_Dolphin 

 

I don't like PSN and XBL are paid services but on those consoles you have big multiplayer titles to play. I don't even know what games you can play online on the Switch.

I think this is the major issue with your entire arguement. You do not know and/or you do not really care. You are making an arguement saying that Nintendo is bad for gamers because of your personal preferences, and you overlook things that you personally do not like. For example, the Switch has 11 games with mutliplayer capabilities in 2017 (where the service will be for free this year; these games include MK8:D, ARMS, Splatoon 2, Pokken, Rocket League, MineCraft, NBA 2K18, FIFA 18, SFII, FASTRMX, Monster Hunter XX in Japan), four of which are from Nintendo themselves where Nintendo is heavily pushing the online multiplayer aspect  (MK8:D, ARMS, Splatoon 2, Pokken). If these games do not interest you, that is not Nintendo's fault and you cannot overlook them when doing your analysis (much like you overlooked ARMS as a new IP because it did not personally appeal to you).

Sorry if you do not like the games Nintendo puts out or the quality of their launch (albeit that seems like somewhat of a double standard from your perspective, considering both Xbox One and PS4's respective launches were primarly dominated by slightly better looking ports of games available on PS3 and Xbox 360; ie not a very different situation than that of the Switch, yet you harshly criticize Switch for this), but there are people that find a lot of appeal and innovation in those franchises. Moreover, there are plenty of us that like the idea of portable device (especially those of us that play almost exclusively on portable systems) with the playstyles of a home console. There are people that do not want another PC-clone home console that puts greater emphasis on cinematic graphics over gameplay. In my case, as of yesterday with my purchase of a PS4 Slim, I now own all of the currently supported devices (Switch, PS4, XOne, and gaming PC), and I am frankly more than happy that Nintendo is providing experiences that are vastly different than what is on PS4 and Xbox One (why would I need another system that does the same thing as the other two).

P.S. Sony and MS put an emphasis on cinematic style games in their E3 presentation as they have largely done in the past. They are not really taking any cues from Nintendo with regards to the type of games or systems that they deliver. Case and point the Xbox One X is the anti-Switch, in that it is designed to be stationary system with a PC-like architecture with a great emphasis on being the best platfrom for cinematic multiplatfrom gaming experiences (aka so-called triple A-budget games). If any aspect of their presentations disappointed you, then that has nothing to do with Nintendo and everything to do with Sony and MS's strategy and of course your own personal preference.   



nemo37 said:
germibobi said:

I don't like PSN and XBL are paid services but on those consoles you have big multiplayer titles to play. I don't even know what games you can play online on the Switch.

I think this is the major issue with your entire arguement. You do not know and/or you do not really care. You are making an arguement saying that Nintendo is bad for gamers because of your personal preferences, and you overlook things that you personally do not like. For example, the Switch has 11 games with mutliplayer capabilities in 2017 (where the service will be for free this year; these games include MK8:D, ARMS, Splatoon 2, Pokken, Rocket League, MineCraft, NBA 2K18, FIFA 18, SFII, FASTRMX, Monster Hunter XX in Japan), four of which are from Nintendo themselves where Nintendo is heavily pushing the online multiplayer aspect  (MK8:D, ARMS, Splatoon 2, Pokken). If these games do not interest you, that is not Nintendo's fault and you cannot overlook them when doing your analysis (much like you overlooked ARMS as a new IP because it did not personally appeal to you).

Sorry if you do not like the games Nintendo puts out or the quality of their launch (albeit that seems like somewhat of a double standard from your perspective, considering both Xbox One and PS4's respective launches were primarly dominated by slightly better looking ports of games available on PS3 and Xbox 360; ie not a very different situation than that of the Switch, yet you harshly criticize Switch for this), but there are people that find a lot of appeal and innovation in those franchises. Moreover, there are plenty of us that like the idea of portable device (especially those of us that play almost exclusively on portable systems) with the playstyles of a home console. There are people that do not want another PC-clone home console that puts greater emphasis on cinematic graphics over gameplay. In my case, as of yesterday with my purchase of a PS4 Slim, I now own all of the currently supported devices (Switch, PS4, XOne, and gaming PC), and I am frankly more than happy that Nintendo is providing experiences that are vastly different than what is on PS4 and Xbox One (why would I need another system that does the same thing as the other two).

P.S. Sony and MS put an emphasis on cinematic style games in their E3 presentation as they have largely done in the past. They are not really taking any cues from Nintendo with regards to the type of games or systems that they deliver. Case and point the Xbox One X is the anti-Switch, in that it is designed to be stationary system with a PC-like architecture with a great emphasis on being the best platfrom for cinematic multiplatfrom gaming experiences (aka so-called triple A-budget games). If any aspect of their presentations disappointed you, then that has nothing to do with Nintendo and everything to do with Sony and MS's strategy and of course your own personal preference.   

Agree with all just don't see why should MS and Sony take any cues from Nintendo since their success come exactly from not doing what Nintendoes.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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KingofTrolls said:
The best trick is that they sold a handheld with a home console price...

You forgot the bit that it doubles as a console and comes with two controllers.