There's even a PS4 Pro for people who just need a higher spec PS4 anyway. Agreed that there's zero incenctive for Sony to want a PS5 before 2020 unless XBox One X starts to sell like gangbusters.

I would prefer to look at it from a hardware/tech perspective; when a Ryzen2+Navi APU housed in $400 console is possible.

Would Sony launch PS5 and PS5 Pro together since hardware boosts seem to be a given? If so, would Sony still launch a PS5 Pro Plus later? Interesting times ahead.

I don't want it before 2020, but I assume most other people don't, either.

Why? Because after 5 years, a console gets totally stale. New things are always more exciting than old things.

PS4 Release Dates
June

Nex Machina (PS4) - June 20th
Dead by Daylight (PS4) - June 20th
Final Fantasy XIV: Stormblood (PS4) - June 20th
Get Even (PS4) - June 23rd
Micro Machines: World Series (PS4) - June 23rd
Danganronpa Another Episode: Ultra Despair Girls (PS4) - June 23rd (UK/EU)
Arizona Sunshine (PS4) - June 27th
Valkyria Revolution (PS4) - June 27th (US)
Elite Dangerous (PS4) - June 27th
The Golf Club 2 (PS4) - June 27th
Summon Night 6: Lost Borders (PS4) - June 27th (US)
Final Fantasy XV: Episode Prompto (PS4) - June 27th
Danganronpa Another Episode: Ultra Despair Girls (PS4) - June 27th (US)
Crash Bandicoot N. Sane Trilogy (PS4) - June 30th
AereA (PS4) - June 30th
Valkyria Revolution (PS4) - June 30th (UK/EU)

July

That's You (PS4) - July 4th
Final Fantasy XII: The Zodiac Age (PS4) - July 11th
Yonder: The Cloud Catcher Chronicles (PS4) - July 18th
Pyre (PS4) - July 25th
Fallen Legion (PS4) - July 25th
Fortnite (PS4) - July 25th
Dragon Quest XI: In Search of Departed Time (PS4) - July 29th (Japan)

August

The Long Dark (PS4) - August 1st
Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice (PS4) - August 8th
Mega Man Legacy Collection 2 (PS4) - August 8th (US)
Sonic Mania (PS4) - August 15th
MatterFall (PS4) - August 15th
Agents of Mayhem (PS4) - August 15th (US)
Agents of Mayhem (PS4) - August 18th (UK/EU)
Uncharted: The Lost Legacy (PS4) - August 22nd (US)
Uncharted: The Lost Legacy (PS4) - August 23rd (UK/EU)
One Piece: Unlimited World Red - Deluxe Edition (PS4) - August 24th (Japan)
One Piece: Unlimited World Red - Deluxe Edition (PS4) - August 25th
Madden NFL 18 (PS4) - August 25th (US)
Everybody's Golf (PS4) - August 29th (US)
Yakuza: Kiwami (PS4) - August 29th
Warriors All-Stars (PS4) - August 29th (US)
Absolver (PS4) - August 29th
Redout: Lightspeed Edition (PS4) - August 29th (US)
Everybody's Golf (PS4) - August 30th (UK/EU)
Life Is Strange: Before the Storm (PS4) - August 31st
Everybody's Golf (PS4) - August 31st (Japan)
Redout: Lightspeed Edition (PS4) - August 31st (UK/EU)
Resident Evil: Revelations (PS4) - August 31st (Japan)

September

Warriors All-Stars (PS4) - September 1st (UK/EU)
Knack 2 (PS4) - September 5th
Destiny 2 (PS4) - September 6th
PES 2018: Pro Evolution Soccer (PS4) - September 14th (UK/EU)
Dishonored: Death of the Outsider (PS4) - September 15th
Marvel vs Capcom: Infinite (PS4) - September 19th
Project CARS 2 (PS4) - September 22nd
Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony (PS4) - September 26th (US)
FIFA 18 (PS4) - September 29th
Danganronpa V3: Killing Harmony (PS4) - September 29th (UK/EU)

September (Tentative)

White Day: A Labyrinth Named School (PS4) - September 2017 (UK/EU)
Bubsy: The Woolies Strike Back (PS4) - September 2017
Monster of the Deep: Final Fantasy XV (PS4) - September 2017

Q3 2017

SUPERHOT VR (PS4) - Q3 2017
Undertale (PS4) - Q3 2017
SUPERHOT (PS4) - Q3 2017

October

Battle Chasers: Nightwar (PS4) - October 3rd
Middle-earth: Shadow of War (PS4) - October 10th
The Evil Within 2 (PS4) - October 13th
ELEX (PS4) - October 17th
South Park: The Fractured But Whole (PS4) - October 17th
Just Dance 2018 (PS4) - October 26th
Assassin's Creed Origins (PS4) - October 27th
Wolfenstein II: The New Colossus (PS4) - October 27th

November

Call of Duty: WWII (PS4) - November 3rd
Ni no Kuni II: Revenant Kingdom (PS4) - November 10th
Need for Speed Payback (PS4) - November 10th
Star Wars Battlefront 2 (PS4) - November 17th
LEGO Marvel Super Heroes 2 (PS4) - November 17th

November (Tentative)

Vampyr (PS4) - November 2017

Q4 2017

Gran Turismo Sport (PS4) - Q4 2017
Moss (PS4) - Q4 2017

2017 (Tentative)

Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night (PS4) - 2017
Battalion 1944 (PS4) - 2017
Senran Kagura: Peach Beach Splash (PS4) - 2017
Sonic Forces (PS4) - 2017
Sudden Strike 4 (PS4) - 2017
Patapon (PS4) - 2017
Tokyo Xanadu EX+ (PS4) - 2017
Insurgency: Sandstorm (PS4) - 2017
Knights and Bikes (PS4) - 2017
Death's Gambit (PS4) - 2017
Brawlout (PS4) - 2017
Tera (PS4) - 2017
Horizon Zero Dawn: The Frozen Wilds (PS4) - 2017
ARK Park (PS4) - 2017
Dreadnought (PS4) - 2017 (US)
Ruiner (PS4) - 2017
Fire Pro Wrestling World (PS4) - 2017
Vane (PS4) - 2017 (US)
Hidden Agenda (PS4) - 2017
DOOM: VFR (PS4) - 2017
Malicious Fallen (PS4) - 2017
Night Trap: 25th Anniversary Edition (PS4) - 2017
Sine Mora EX (PS4) - 2017
Gundam Versus (PS4) - 2017
The Inpatient (PS4) - 2017
Super Mega Baseball 2 (PS4) - 2017
The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim VR (PS4) - 2017
Infinite Minigolf (PS4) - 2017
The Invisible Hours (PS4) - 2017
Tiny Trax (PS4) - 2017
Brawlhalla (PS4) - 2017
Last Day of June (PS4) - 2017
Rabi-Ribi (PS4) - 2017
Sparc (PS4) - 2017
LawBreakers (PS4) - 2017
Earth Defense Force 5 (PS4) - 2017 (Japan)

February

Kingdom Come: Deliverance (PS4) - February 13th
Far Cry 5 (PS4) - February 27th

Q1 2018

God of War (PS4) - Q1 2018
Yakuza 6 (PS4) - Q1 2018 (US)
Monster Hunter: World (PS4) - Q1 2018
Shadow Of The Colossus (PS4) - Q1 2018
The Crew 2 (PS4) - Q1 2018

Q2 2018

Transference (PS4) - Q2 2018

Q3 2018

Skull & Bones (PS4) - Q3 2018
Starlink: Battle for Atlas (PS4) - Q3 2018

2018 (Tentative)

Days Gone (PS4) - 2018
Shenmue III (PS4) - 2018
Detroit: Become Human (PS4) - 2018
Spider-Man (PS4) - 2018
Dreams (PS4) - 2018
Dragon Ball FighterZ (PS4) - 2018
ANTHEM (PS4) - 2018
The Last of Us: Part II (PS4) - 2018
Red Dead Redemption 2 (PS4) - 2018
Metal Gear Survive (PS4) - 2018
Tennis World Tour (PS4) - 2018
Ace Combat 7: Skies Unknown (PS4) - 2018
Lost Soul Aside (PS4) - 2018
Code Vein (PS4) - 2018
Digimon Story: Cyber Sleuth - Hacker's Memory (PS4) - 2018
A Way Out (PS4) - 2018
Darksiders III (PS4) - 2018
GreedFall (PS4) - 2018
Beyond Good & Evil 2 (PS4) - 2018
The Banner Saga 3 (PS4) - 2018
Project Rap Rabbit (PS4) - 2018
Surviving Mars (PS4) - 2018
Metro: Exodus (PS4) - 2018
Lost Sphear (PS4) - 2018
Strange Brigade (PS4) - 2018
The Swords of Ditto (PS4) - 2018
Tropico 6 (PS4) - 2018


Plus MANY more! ... WAY MORE!!!

I Agree, also to the OP i would put FF7 Remake in 2020 at the earliest... (im not even kidding).

I sure as hell don't.

The later it comes out, the cheaper a box that offers a massive leap forward compared to the PS4 Pro.

Still going with 2019. 6 years is good enough for a normal gen going forward. Hell, the PS2 launched only 5 years after the PS1 came out. I think Sony was being honest about Pro being mid-gen, also. 3 years til Pro. 3 years til PS5.

And there's a reason Sony is going to do this. Like it or not, this is going to most likely be PS4's peak year. It'll at least be on par with last year, so ~18M sold-through. But, starting in 2018, we are going to start seeing a decline in sales, especially mid-late year. My guess is ~16M sold-through. Reason being that we will get a $199 PS4 this year, but I don't see it dropping much after this. $149 also isn't going to give the same boost $199 will. 2019 will see another drop, guessing ~14M sold-through.

This is the perfect time to launch a new console. As the interest in your console declines, you cause a resurgence of interest in it with new HW. Early adopters who are ready for a new gen will move on to the PS5. Those late adopters will grab a $149 PS4 or $249-$299 Pro. And those in between will stick with their own PS4s/Pros, and play the many cross-gen titles that will be launching for the next year or so. It'll also ensure that MS, if they are making a XB2, won't be able to get a headstart on next gen.

Thats a crazy prediction.

OP- PS4 has a pretty good lineup. Would like more FPS though but still pretty good.

I want the PS4 to live for as long as possible. PS5 until 2020 would be okay for me.