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Ka-pi96 said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

In the US, the 360 was the number one selling console of the 7th generation. It murdered the PS3 the US. It wasn't even close. 

And the PS3 murdered the 360 outside of the US. The world is more than just 1 country ya know

*sigh*

If the writer is also from the US and has little knowledge of the industry like us, it's more than plausable that he/she would not know that. From the view point of a US citizen, the Xbox 360 was top dog. It was THE console over here. I can totally see how most people would have a skewed point of view when discussing that generation.



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He probably said that as a "friendly PR" gesture but he's right in the context that the industry as a whole is stronger when nintendo does well.



Sony. MS, & Nintendo all hope for a healthy industry, of course.

None of them give a damn about "annihilating" the others. Certainly, humans are competitive, and companies are made up of humans. So, it feels good for one's company to be the biggest seller. But, at the end of the day, all companies are really competing against zero, not each other. That is to say, they care about how much money they can make. It makes little difference how much money Nintendo makes. If Sony's sales exceed forecasts, they're happy.



pokoko said:
"Wii60" era? How does a writer for a video-game publication not know that the PS3 regularly outsold the 360?

It's Nintendolife, what do you expect?

I would say the 7th gen was the most successful console gaming generation. And the reason for that is because there were 3 home consoles and 2 handheld consoles that all sold well and thus could support decent game sales across a wide variety of games. 

I wonder if we'll ever see its like again. Switch is great, but amalgamating Nintendo's player base onto one platform is not going to see it return to the glory days of the 7th gen where it sold 250 million+ hardware units. PS4 is doing great and PS2 was great. But in the 7th gen Sony sold more hardware units (PS3+PSP) than either the 6th gen did or the 8th gen will.

And we all know the Xbox story. Meh-->Great!-->OK so far.



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Safiir said:
Azzanation said:

Mate regradless how you spin it. The industry becomes alot more healthier whether you think cross play is worth it or not. Everyone playing togother and keeping online populations high benefits all gamers. It adds attraction to products and lasting appeal.

The fact your sticking up for Sonys decision amazes me.

If Sony released an IP on a MS console than id expect MS to do the exact same thing since its Sonys game.

The fact Sony allowed users to sign into Steam accounts on the PS3 to play games like Portal 2 cross play shows that Ryans excuse is far fetched and embarrassing.

MS did it in the past too however guess what, its not 2012, its 2017 with new leadership. Its time we move past this greed and become a whole as a gaming community.

My brother hates Xbox but owns a Switch. He was quite happy to see that he can play Minecraft with me and i dont even need to buy a Switch copy of Minecraft. Thats the true *For the Gamers*

We need more of that.

 

MS did not release minecraft on ps3 and ps4. They bought the IP after it was released. Portal 2 did not really have a significant online community so it's not like it matters much especially since steam is not a direct competitor in any sense. If MS was "for the gamers" they'd have worked on creating a bridge between the communities and not thinking of ways to inflate the xbox live MAUs.

Hmm lets see, because its an MS game so it should use the MS Network. If its a Sony game than it should use the Sony Network.

Sony gave a poor excuse and said there worried about there install base yet allowed cross play with Steam? Haha okay.

Here is a fun read for you, Dont argu with me, argu with them.

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/06/sony-has-a-weak-excuse-for-not-allowing-cross-platform-play/

pokoko said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

In the US, the 360 was the number one selling console of the 7th generation. It murdered the PS3 the US. It wasn't even close. 

At any point did we ever say, "let's talk about one country only and ignore the rest of the world?"  I certainly didn't say that so I'm not sure why you think you can come in late and move the goal posts.  You can't.

Azzanation said:

Who said i am sticking up for MS's decisions with the 360?

360?  What are you talking about?  I said Xbox One.  Reread my post.  Final Fantasy XIV is on the PS4 but not the Xbox One because of Microsoft policy.  War Thunder is on the PS4 but not the Xbox One because of Microsoft policy.  That's a much worse situation, especially with Stormblood  releasing for FF XIV right now.  

I'll say it again:  If you're mad about what Sony had done then you should be absolutely furious about what Microsoft has done.  There is no way out of that unless you want to look like a massive hypocrite.

If thats the case than MS are just as bad back than. Its stupid to block cross play especially with a stupid reason. The point is MS are allowing it now and Sony pulling out is the problem here not MS. Also Sony has never Cross played with Nintendo, only PC.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/were-ready-microsoft-says-about-xbox-one-ps4-cross/1100-6438654/

DonFerrari said:
Azzanation said:

Mate regradless how you spin it. The industry becomes alot more healthier whether you think cross play is worth it or not. Everyone playing togother and keeping online populations high benefits all gamers. It adds attraction to products and lasting appeal.

The fact your sticking up for Sonys decision amazes me.

If Sony released an IP on a MS console than id expect MS to do the exact same thing since its Sonys game.

The fact Sony allowed users to sign into Steam accounts on the PS3 to play games like Portal 2 cross play shows that Ryans excuse is far fetched and embarrassing.

MS did it in the past too however guess what, its not 2012, its 2017 with new leadership. Its time we move past this greed and become a whole as a gaming community.

My brother hates Xbox but owns a Switch. He was quite happy to see that he can play Minecraft with me and i dont even need to buy a Switch copy of Minecraft. Thats the true *For the Gamers*

We need more of that.

So are you going to pressure MS to not demand Xbox live accounts to integration? Or that they open up for FF XIV and Warzone? Or that all 3rd party games are cross game?

And again you haven't show how that increases the market or the revenue.

Alby_da_Wolf said:
LOL. If we believe their PR's, Sony and MS love Ninty more than 3rd parties do.

Worse is that it may even be true

If its an Xbox game than they have every right to demand there network. ITS THERE GAME. Sony have shown they have issues cross playing with Nintendo and Xbox, its pretty clear. Where has all the Cross play with Nintendo been? Why has Sony only got the PC as there cross play platform in there history books? Oh right they have PSNow on PC, they dont care for PC but if its Nintendo and Xbox than its a no go. Sony want to hold an monopoly. The games you mention are in the past. We are talking now. Xbox are guilty for the same thing however again Past vs Present. 

Here have a read, facts are below.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/were-ready-microsoft-says-about-xbox-one-ps4-cross/1100-6438654/

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/06/sony-has-a-weak-excuse-for-not-allowing-cross-platform-play/

Clearly not just my opinion. I also live in the present not the past and look forward to the future.



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pokoko said:
"Wii60" era? How does a writer for a video-game publication not know that the PS3 regularly outsold the 360?

http://gamespite.net/2006/11/21/living-the-dream/

https://www.engadget.com/2007/05/22/wii60-effect-real/



Azzanation said:
Safiir said:

MS did not release minecraft on ps3 and ps4. They bought the IP after it was released. Portal 2 did not really have a significant online community so it's not like it matters much especially since steam is not a direct competitor in any sense. If MS was "for the gamers" they'd have worked on creating a bridge between the communities and not thinking of ways to inflate the xbox live MAUs.

Hmm lets see, because its an MS game so it should use the MS Network. If its a Sony game than it should use the Sony Network.

Sony gave a poor excuse and said there worried about there install base yet allowed cross play with Steam? Haha okay.

Here is a fun read for you, Dont argu with me, argu with them.

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/06/sony-has-a-weak-excuse-for-not-allowing-cross-platform-play/

pokoko said:

At any point did we ever say, "let's talk about one country only and ignore the rest of the world?"  I certainly didn't say that so I'm not sure why you think you can come in late and move the goal posts.  You can't.

360?  What are you talking about?  I said Xbox One.  Reread my post.  Final Fantasy XIV is on the PS4 but not the Xbox One because of Microsoft policy.  War Thunder is on the PS4 but not the Xbox One because of Microsoft policy.  That's a much worse situation, especially with Stormblood  releasing for FF XIV right now.  

I'll say it again:  If you're mad about what Sony had done then you should be absolutely furious about what Microsoft has done.  There is no way out of that unless you want to look like a massive hypocrite.

If thats the case than MS are just as bad back than. Its stupid to block cross play especially with a stupid reason. The point is MS are allowing it now and Sony pulling out is the problem here not MS. Also Sony has never Cross played with Nintendo, only PC.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/were-ready-microsoft-says-about-xbox-one-ps4-cross/1100-6438654/

DonFerrari said:

So are you going to pressure MS to not demand Xbox live accounts to integration? Or that they open up for FF XIV and Warzone? Or that all 3rd party games are cross game?

And again you haven't show how that increases the market or the revenue.

Worse is that it may even be true

If its an Xbox game than they have every right to demand there network. ITS THERE GAME. Sony have shown they have issues cross playing with Nintendo and Xbox, its pretty clear. Where has all the Cross play with Nintendo been? Why has Sony only got the PC as there cross play platform in there history books? Oh right they have PSNow on PC, they dont care for PC but if its Nintendo and Xbox than its a no go. Sony want to hold an monopoly. The games you mention are in the past. We are talking now. Xbox are guilty for the same thing however again Past vs Present. 

Here have a read, facts are below.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/were-ready-microsoft-says-about-xbox-one-ps4-cross/1100-6438654/

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/06/sony-has-a-weak-excuse-for-not-allowing-cross-platform-play/

Clearly not just my opinion. I also live in the present not the past and look forward to the future.

Man you are talking crazy stuff, all 3rd parties are playable with the infrastructure of the platform, there is very few of them that make you create and log on their account to play MP (and I have done it exactly 0 times).

Crossplay between PS4 and PC was available even before PSNow even existed.

And what game would PS4 and Switch have crossplay? Games that doesn't exist? If PS4 is already doing crossplay on PC (without the need for PSN on PC) if Nintendo would allow/request the same there would be no roadblocks.

You can't even hide that all you want is Sony to bend over to MS.

And you are still to show how this would improve sales and make the market strong. So I'll take all you said as a empty attempt of an attack at Sony until you can prove your point instead of silly deflections of "I live today not the past". Guess what, the past is the only thing you can base of, if a company have been doing the very worse on an aspect for several years there is no reason to just make a clean slate for them just because they said now it's going to be different.



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UltimateGamer1982 said:
pokoko said:
"Wii60" era? How does a writer for a video-game publication not know that the PS3 regularly outsold the 360?

http://gamespite.net/2006/11/21/living-the-dream/

https://www.engadget.com/2007/05/22/wii60-effect-real/

Thanks for that, it just pretty much proved that it was a fanboy slogan.

"66% of surveyed 360 owners indicated that they were "neutral or more likely to buy a Wii because they now own an Xbox 360." Compare that to the 52% who were "neutral or more likely to buy a PlayStation 3." 19% of 360 owners were "somewhat or much more likely" to buy a Wii.

Wii owners, strangely, were slightly more positive about Sony's system than Microsoft's: 53% were "neutral or more likely to buy a PlayStation 3 because they now own a Wii", versus 44% of Wii owners who felt the same way about the 360."



John2290 said:
onionberry said:

wii60 was a real thing back then, do a research and you will see that wii60 was "the perfect combination" 

"why should I buy a ps3 when I can buy a wii and a 360 for that kind of money!?" that's wii60.

360 failure rate - Google Search    ...it may have been a thing but the 360 part of it was a bad choice.

doesn't matter tbh, I was explaining the wii60 thing and why the reporter said such a thing.



What do you expect a Sony rep to say? He'd lose his job if he went out and stated "We are threatened by Nintendo's success with the Switch and may lose part of our market share." Sometimes I feel like not very many people understand this stuff.

I'm not saying that Sony is freaking out right now, but they would certainly be happier if the Switch bombed. Is it just complete ignorance, or do some people genuinely think the Switch's success bodes well for Sony?