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torok said:
Azzanation said:

I dont believe Xbox is using Gens anymore. X1X and its sequal will most likely run the same games. 

I'm not buying that "no more gens" talk. Why would they want to be stuck forever in a gen were they are seen as lagging behind Sony? They would have to fight an uphill battle, a new gen is a fresh start that puts everyone in an even ground to compete. And it's not like they are improving, this year their disavantage only grew. Sony would be more benefited if this gen lasted forever.

Also, a new gen is the shiny new product. It doesn't matter how many X1s they release, a PS5 would look more advanced in the eyes of the consumer, even if it really wasn't. The older models would also held back the more potent X1 against a new generation opponent (that would have full backwards compatibility).

PCs dont have Gens and i believe Xbox want to follow that trend. Generations cost billions to start and takes years to turn a profit. No generation gaps means alot cheaper. Instead of buying a new gen console which will set gamers back $500+, they just need to buy a new version of Xbox every few years to keep up with the later games. Its not always about outselling the opposition. Its about profiting more.

Also remember that if there are no gens than that means all your games work so every BC game etc. PS5 isn't garenteed to have BC and if it does it will add more to that already expensive price tag. (Cough PS3) and if its not BC than a PS5 will have to compete with a console with 1000s of games thoughout the generations.



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Azzanation said:

PCs dont have Gens and i believe Xbox want to follow that trend. Generations cost billions to start and takes years to turn a profit. No generation gaps means alot cheaper. Instead of buying a new gen console which will set gamers back $500+, they just need to buy a new version of Xbox every few years to keep up with the later games. Its not always about outselling the opposition. Its about profiting more.

Also remember that if there are no gens than that means all your games work so every BC game etc. PS5 isn't garenteed to have BC and if it does it will add more to that already expensive price tag. (Cough PS3) and if its not BC than a PS5 will have to compete with a console with 1000s of games thoughout the generations.

It's hard to profit more when you're being outsold by a big margin. It also makes it easier to the competitor to use the large userbase to pull anticompetitive tactics, like buying exclusivity. Basically, market share allows you to diminish your oponents profits.

I don't see the difference between buying a new gen console for 500 bucks (that releases every 7 years or so) or buying an upgraded console for 500 bucks that also releases every few years. Really, what's the difference here? So, in order to make us expend less with hardware they will imitate PCs, where we always have to expend a ton of cash in hardware? And don't say that it's not like that, my PC isn't even "enthusiast grade" and it costed me loads of cash.

This gen was pretty profitable from day 1. They never sold their consoles at loss, they started with small profits and are evolving towards big ones. Last gen they exaggerated the hardware. Sony put a freaking 400 bucks Blu-Ray drive on the PS3, that alone was pure nonsense. MS would have fared better, but they basically had to replace several times half of the consoles sold in the first 3 years.

Also, why a retrocompatible PS5 would be more expensive? The PS3 had to include the entire PS2 hardware because the architectures were extremely different. PS5 will be x86 with a regular GPU, basically what PS4 is. BC will be easily implemented. There's no reason to chose PPC or any other architecture anymore. In the early 2000s, PPC was better than x86. The lack of investiment on it killed its performance and it lagged behind x86 in C/B. That's why Apple left PPC years ago, that's why consoles left it this gen. x86 is the way to go, at least for now. If one day it is not the best option anymore, than a no-gen console would become a liability instead if providing any advantages.

And let's face it, BC doesn't sell hardware. X1 added it and it didn't helped them even a tiny bit on sales. They are even worse now in market share than they were 3 years ago. It's a great functionality, but it's quite clear that it doesn't help push units.



Microsoft is always reacting to other companies successes. They never innovate because they are an uncreative company. Why don't they try to do something new and exciting? They aren't going to rescue the XBox brand by being a Johnny come lately version of the PS4.



Sales prediction, PS4: 122 Million, Xbox one: 50 million, Switch: 105 million. 

KiigelHeart said:
DonFerrari said:

How about it not being necessary, it diverting time from devs, costing money and many times being generic?

Well it wasn't "necessary" for Quantum Break either but it would have added much more value and reason to play it after completing the story. Whether it's generic or not is up to devs and as a consumer I don't give a shit how much money it costs. Diverting time from devs is a good point but it can be done, Uncharted 4 has a great campaign and a good multiplayer, no?

I'm all for having an option to play multiplayer and hopefully Microsoft will deliver it for their upcoming games.

Ok so if you don't care about costs and want every single game made your taste there is no point on discussing it.



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PEEPer0nni said:
Xbox fans won't appreciate it.

Xbox fans appreciate Ubisoft titles.



LudicrousSpeed said:
PEEPer0nni said:
Xbox fans won't appreciate it.

Xbox fans appreciate Ubisoft titles.

They didn't appreciate Far Cry 4 tough.



PEEPer0nni said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Xbox fans appreciate Ubisoft titles.

They didn't appreciate Far Cry 4 tough.

Based on what? Sales? What should it have hit to show "enough" appreciation? I guess this also means PS4 fans don't appreciate games like Bloodborne, Until Dawn, etc etc.



torok said:
Azzanation said:

PCs dont have Gens and i believe Xbox want to follow that trend. Generations cost billions to start and takes years to turn a profit. No generation gaps means alot cheaper. Instead of buying a new gen console which will set gamers back $500+, they just need to buy a new version of Xbox every few years to keep up with the later games. Its not always about outselling the opposition. Its about profiting more.

Also remember that if there are no gens than that means all your games work so every BC game etc. PS5 isn't garenteed to have BC and if it does it will add more to that already expensive price tag. (Cough PS3) and if its not BC than a PS5 will have to compete with a console with 1000s of games thoughout the generations.

It's hard to profit more when you're being outsold by a big margin. It also makes it easier to the competitor to use the large userbase to pull anticompetitive tactics, like buying exclusivity. Basically, market share allows you to diminish your oponents profits.

I don't see the difference between buying a new gen console for 500 bucks (that releases every 7 years or so) or buying an upgraded console for 500 bucks that also releases every few years. Really, what's the difference here? So, in order to make us expend less with hardware they will imitate PCs, where we always have to expend a ton of cash in hardware? And don't say that it's not like that, my PC isn't even "enthusiast grade" and it costed me loads of cash.

This gen was pretty profitable from day 1. They never sold their consoles at loss, they started with small profits and are evolving towards big ones. Last gen they exaggerated the hardware. Sony put a freaking 400 bucks Blu-Ray drive on the PS3, that alone was pure nonsense. MS would have fared better, but they basically had to replace several times half of the consoles sold in the first 3 years.

Also, why a retrocompatible PS5 would be more expensive? The PS3 had to include the entire PS2 hardware because the architectures were extremely different. PS5 will be x86 with a regular GPU, basically what PS4 is. BC will be easily implemented. There's no reason to chose PPC or any other architecture anymore. In the early 2000s, PPC was better than x86. The lack of investiment on it killed its performance and it lagged behind x86 in C/B. That's why Apple left PPC years ago, that's why consoles left it this gen. x86 is the way to go, at least for now. If one day it is not the best option anymore, than a no-gen console would become a liability instead if providing any advantages.

And let's face it, BC doesn't sell hardware. X1 added it and it didn't helped them even a tiny bit on sales. They are even worse now in market share than they were 3 years ago. It's a great functionality, but it's quite clear that it doesn't help push units.

Your missing one key fact. Starting a generation costs billions. It takes half a generation life span to make back the RnD costs. Starting a new gen will reset all the games. Why would MS want to reset all there games as they are adding more and more to there BC lineup (like Steam)

If you cant see it by now, the Xbox eco system is becomming more like a Steam service where you can play all your games. I dont believe a X2 is in the works. I believe theres a boosted X1X in the making that will rival PS5 specs but will play all X1 games etc. Thats the trend i see MS going and its alot cheaper. PC has the largest gaming community where gamers have different spec PCs with a monster library of games.

There is no need for generations anymore. It does nothing but take away what we already own. 

Also just because Sony is selling more does not mean Xbox isnt making a profit. The vision is clear where MS want to go with Xbox. If you spend less than your profit targets wont be as high, if you spend more than your profit targets become alot higher.

Trust me you dont need a generation leap to improve on visuals on games. Like i said PCs dont use generation leaps however everyone with different specced PCs can play the same games. Some will play them better than others. Much like X1X will play X1X2 games just at a degraded performance.



Wow there are a lot of jealous, bitter, hateful and pathetic haters on this site. Horizon is a masterpiece and I am still playing it after 100 plus hours in. Comparing it to Ubi games is way off. If people actually played the game instead of being fanboys and girl trying to discredit it you would know that. Don't be mad cause your favorite platform can do produce a game of this caliber. I hope whatever MS is working on turns out at least half as goid as Horizon. They surely need it. The game is the best since TLoU. Truly phenomenal. You only hurt yourself by missing out.