Don't forget the next gen starts with a projection of selling 60 to 100 million consoles with that tech, instead of a projected 5 to 10 million for a mid gen refresh. R&D costs can be recouped much faster and production costs scaled down much faster on the next base console, meaning a slight loss at release won't be a problem. Mid gen refreshes need to be close to cost as they don't bring many new customers into the eco system.

No, I am not kidding at all. Go to the sites like Ars Technica, find them saying like "The PS4 is slightly more powerful than Xbox One".

The tech sites underplayed the difference to the extreme! It's the Sony fans who constantly emphasized it and reminded the techies (who tend to be Xbox supporters). In theory, there is a noticeable gap (especially due to the RAM bandwidth, not only the GPU grunt) but third parties usually opted for the lowest common denominator, and developed the games, first targeting XBox One, and then using the remaining power for higher resolution or frame rates on PS4.

The problem here is that THE VERY SAME TECH SITES, without even reviewing the first batch of games, are declaring the XBX to be MUCH faster than PS4, although it has exactly 43% more GPU power, just like the case with PS4 vs XB1. They even quote (and fail to criticize) that "PS4pro should be compared to Xbox One S"... This is almost saying like PS4 should be compared to Xbox 360. Even baseline PS4 is significantly (40%) faster than XBox One S, roughly equal to the gap between PS4pro and XBX. They are so hypocritical that, the same gap, is ignored when PS4 is superior (PS4 vs XBox One S), but overblown when XBX is the superior one (XBX vs PS4pro). The hypocricy is unbelievable.

Please MARK MY WORDS, guys. XBX will fail, unless they cut the prices to at least to PS4pro levels (then the Status Quo will continue). Microsoft do not know anything about the non-English speaking markets, and with this price, they have ZERO CHANCE in any non-English speaking country, and their share will further diminish even in  English speaking ones. And unless they slash the price, there will be more and more PS4pros everywhere, which are drastically superior to XB1, and even though XBX may have the theoretical edge, there won't be many of it to show off!

They should have aimed for the 399. But Phil should have come up with something on stage. If he was on stage and talked about a program that let you trade your Xbox one and get a Xbox one X for 200$ + Crack down 3 (as an example) their would have been less complaints.

http://techreport.com/news/31402/amd-touts-zen-die-size-advantage-at-isscc

4 Cores, 8 Threads = 44mm²

Its gonna be less than that at 7nm.

Thats all they need 8 threads, and they should be backwards compatabile if they want.

With the IPC increase from Jaguar -> Zen+, that should be a huge upgrade in cpu performance.

That along with some newer Navi chip? around 10 Tflops... is my guess of what Playstation 5 looks like.

Im guessing GDDR6 is used (its faster, uses less power than GDDR5/GDDR5x), supposedly releaseing in 2018, by 2020 it should be cheap.

Playstation 5: (my guess)

Zen+ 4core/8thread ~3ghz

Navi GPU tech (10-12 Tflops)

16GB GDDR6

1TB 7200 RPM HDD (maybe by then 10,000 rpm is cheap enough?)

399$  & releases in 2020.

Too bad that exclusives and price per games are what people care about. You can build a better machine but not a better line up?

I agree with most of your ps5 guess. While I agree tha a zen+ 4core is still vastly better than a jaguar, I still dont think they will do 4 cores. I know they priorituze gpu but still, 8 cores is just  selling point now, people will see it as a downgrade and be a pr nightmare. And by 2020 8 cores should be standard cpu.

Also by then I inmagine that the all in one box will do a comeback, so a better cpu will be nesesary.

$400 is way too low. Asumming the Pro is $250 by 2020. 16gbs of ram would cost around $60 so $310. I could see Sony using a 1TB SSD which by 2020 might cost $100 but if they go with a regular 1tb hardrive that should be around $30 by then so $340. I expect a huge focus on CPU to reach that 60fp so the Ryzen 7 cost like $300 today so maybe $150 by 2020 which brings the price to $490 and then include a new cooling tech so it doesnt overheat and the other components of the console were probably looking at $530-$550.

Could I please ask why you added all thouse components to the asumed $250 the pro would cost by 2020? Are you saying that by then whaterer gpu chosen that will do 10-12tf will be $250 in 2020?

If not, you just added a bunch of components to a device that already has them. Then you would have to remove $250 from your asking price of $530-550 so it will be $280-300 without a gpu.

Edit: I also dont think they would go for anything as good as that cpu. It just needs to be 8 cores. Maybe something like the current low level ryzen 7 from  today, revisioned and maybe cutback in some aspects. so it wont be $150.

I did it like DF did it with the XB1X. For an example the added ran instead of of trying to find out how much 16gb of rqam would cost it added $30 per 4gbs of ram and the PS4 already has 8gbs so 16gbs added would be $30. Its not a perfect prediction but i still think $500+ will be how much it cost to make.

SOunds a litle wierd but ok.

Sorry but I was editing my post as you responded.