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I rather play Horizon Zero Down in 30 FPS than a crappy game in 9000 FPS.



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Turkish said:
Majority of the people aren't even informed enough to know about fps. Majority of the people don't go on game forums or reddit, they dont care about fps or checkerboarding. So long as the pictures move and you can interact with it, and the box says 4K, they're sold.

Nerds saying they rather have 1080p60fps instead of 4K are a tiny minority but appear to be a yuuge crowd on forums(a tiny part of install base), but even here the graphics vs framerate crowd is about equal.

I do think 60fps is going to be more common next gen due to Ryzen but it's never gonna be a standard and hasn't been for the last 23 years.

Why are people like me specifically called nerds for being content with 1080p 60fps+?.

I also don't see them being a tiny monority either, I only have 1 friend out of many that has a 4k tv setup, while the rest are still rocking their 1080p tv's.



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Chazore said:
Turkish said:
Majority of the people aren't even informed enough to know about fps. Majority of the people don't go on game forums or reddit, they dont care about fps or checkerboarding. So long as the pictures move and you can interact with it, and the box says 4K, they're sold.

Nerds saying they rather have 1080p60fps instead of 4K are a tiny minority but appear to be a yuuge crowd on forums(a tiny part of install base), but even here the graphics vs framerate crowd is about equal.

I do think 60fps is going to be more common next gen due to Ryzen but it's never gonna be a standard and hasn't been for the last 23 years.

Why are people like me specifically called nerds for being content with 1080p 60fps+?.

I also don't see them being a tiny monority either, I only have 1 friend out of many that has a 4k tv setup, while the rest are still rocking their 1080p tv's.

been very happy with my 65"4k TV and eager for more content



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

DonFerrari said:
Chazore said:

Why are people like me specifically called nerds for being content with 1080p 60fps+?.

I also don't see them being a tiny monority either, I only have 1 friend out of many that has a 4k tv setup, while the rest are still rocking their 1080p tv's.

been very happy with my 65"4k TV and eager for more content

Very nice. I hav ea 60" 1080p TV that I got like 3 years ago. Mentioned to my wife that I would need to be getting a 4k TV soon for my PS4 Pro and she just shook her head in shame. No idea what I'll do with the other 60". Probably just sell it for whatever the best offer is.



method114 said:
DonFerrari said:

been very happy with my 65"4k TV and eager for more content

Very nice. I hav ea 60" 1080p TV that I got like 3 years ago. Mentioned to my wife that I would need to be getting a 4k TV soon for my PS4 Pro and she just shook her head in shame. No idea what I'll do with the other 60". Probably just sell it for whatever the best offer is.

I ran into this same problem.  Bought a 50 inch 1080 in 2009, then told the wife I needed a new one when we bought our house so I could leave that TV in the general living space and have one in my gaming space, so bought that in 2013.  Then last year had to explain that while I did just buy a new TV I now needed a 4k one for my games because of console and PC upgrades.  So a 4k bought in 2016.  At this point, I have more TVs than I have rooms to put them in.



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It's a completely moot point to demand 60fps in all games because of "gameplay".

You can demand it because you like it better, but don't drag a fuzzy description in to a discussion about hard numbers.



DonFerrari said:

been very happy with my 65"4k TV and eager for more content

Cool, I'm upgrading to a 1080p 144hz monitor this week. If I ever need to I can always downsample my games.



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So pay up motherfuckers you belong to "V"

This Generation microsoft has been better at delivering 60 fps (forza, gears of war multiplayer, halo) but overall consoles are just known for better graphics and 30fps caps.

I don't agree its not important I lower settings in games to achieve 60fps on my computer if nessesary but I do understand what he is saying most people do not care about 30fps.

Ive seen little complaints about horizon zero dawn, forza horizon series, driveclub or other games with the cap and those games all sold well despite this cap.

Also sony took the same route with the ps4 pro and people seem to love the pro, so I would agree console gamers generally like graphics over framerate.




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method114 said:
DonFerrari said:

been very happy with my 65"4k TV and eager for more content

Very nice. I hav ea 60" 1080p TV that I got like 3 years ago. Mentioned to my wife that I would need to be getting a 4k TV soon for my PS4 Pro and she just shook her head in shame. No idea what I'll do with the other 60". Probably just sell it for whatever the best offer is.

Well since you already have 60" and several PS4Pro titles won't really get to 4k, you can wait for it to be a little cheaper or buy a smaller 4k on the very cheap side to enjoy the extra res now and then sell both TVs and buy a competent big 4k when more feasible

Neodegenerate said:
method114 said:

Very nice. I hav ea 60" 1080p TV that I got like 3 years ago. Mentioned to my wife that I would need to be getting a 4k TV soon for my PS4 Pro and she just shook her head in shame. No idea what I'll do with the other 60". Probably just sell it for whatever the best offer is.

I ran into this same problem.  Bought a 50 inch 1080 in 2009, then told the wife I needed a new one when we bought our house so I could leave that TV in the general living space and have one in my gaming space, so bought that in 2013.  Then last year had to explain that while I did just buy a new TV I now needed a 4k one for my games because of console and PC upgrades.  So a 4k bought in 2016.  At this point, I have more TVs than I have rooms to put them in.

Run similar, so I traded my 42" plasma to a 32" LCD that my wife uses on the kitchen and have a 21" loaned to my niece.

Chazore said:
DonFerrari said:

been very happy with my 65"4k TV and eager for more content

Cool, I'm upgrading to a 1080p 144hz monitor this week. If I ever need to I can always downsample my games.

Well if that is what you values in gaming hope it serves your needs and give you a blast



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."