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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Mario Odyssey looks far more ambitious than the already ambitious Zelda BoTW

monocle_layton said:

Super Mario Galaxy had a simple trailer too https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=czDam59-Vjc

We know the gameplay will be good. Now waiting to experience it all will probably bring out the magic

It is made by what's maybe the finest development team in the world, so it most likely will be. The hat mechanic's going to turn out to be a stroke of genius. I will be excited, I'm sure, when I've gotten over the things I'm not feeling good about and have seen more, just not there 100% yet.



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More ambitious? I don't know. We've seen something like Odyssey in Mario before (64 and Sunshine), albeit the capturing tool opens up a whole new dimension but overall it's more of a throwback to the N64 platformers. Zelda on the other hand literally breaks apart the formula and makes something the series has never seen before and even changes a lot of conventions in Open World games.

They're both ambitious and tbf I'd say they're risking more with Mario as the Zelda series was getting stale and sales were dwindling whereas if they stayed safe with Mario it would've still done well. Zelda though was changed from its roots and that should probably give it an edge.



the_dark_lewd said:
It will almost definitely sell more. Mario has a wider audience than Zelda.

Agree. The consumer awareness is also higher on the mario brand.

But I must say, that I am a bit at unease about the whole real-world integration in Odyssey. I really like it when Mario is in his fictive fantastic seeting. But I will give the Mario team, the benefit of the doubt, as always it will be stellar gameplay. Really hope that Yoshi is in it?! 



gcwy said:
Einsam_Delphin said:

Okay, you can start by explaining No Man's Sky.

That's an outlier. 

It's a perfect example that shows ambition =/= quality. Having a huge world, drastically changing formula etc. do not automatically make a game good. The ambitious games that are good are not good because they're ambitious, they're good because they're well designed.



Prooobably not. But I will admit, being able to play as any enemy type is a Mario gamechanger. I mean, where can they go from here? It is the game I'm paying attention to the most after this E3.



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Einsam_Delphin said:
gcwy said:

That's an outlier. 

It's a perfect example that shows ambition =/= quality. Having a huge world, drastically changing formula etc. do not automatically make a game good. The ambitious games that are good are not good because they're ambitious, they're good because they're well designed.

Exactly. Ambitious game sometimes make a fatal sin, being over-ambitious. And more straightforward, traditional games are so well designed that not being ambitious don't hurt them a bit. In fact, sometimes they feel more focused. 



Ughh nooo .. to me it looks cool but hardly better or more ambitious than Breath of the Wild or the Galaxy games so i don't expect the review scores for Odyssey to be anywhere near those games.



monocle_layton said:
I've always been a huge Mario fan, so my opinion would be biased.

Mario games simply have this magic that you rarely find anywhere else. It's like the Disney/Pixar of video games. Sunshine, 64, Galaxy, 3d land/world, super mario world, mario kart- I always gain this childish excitement when I play Mario. Odyssey will probably continue this trend as we see him in a game which can be considered 64's "sequel".

No its not. Mario games are actually awesome without being overrated They are more like the Studio Ghibli but with serious mainstream apeal

OT: Most deffinatly. It looks by far the most ambitious Mario title ever This is the game that will sell the Switch to me My god the last trailer looked jawdropping :-o



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It will sell more than Zelda... way more - I don't see it this time. probably lesser gap than Galaxy 91) vs Twilight Princess (Wii) - a 15 million odyssey vs 12 Million BOTW would be my perfect scenario...



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hunter_alien said:
monocle_layton said:
I've always been a huge Mario fan, so my opinion would be biased.

Mario games simply have this magic that you rarely find anywhere else. It's like the Disney/Pixar of video games. Sunshine, 64, Galaxy, 3d land/world, super mario world, mario kart- I always gain this childish excitement when I play Mario. Odyssey will probably continue this trend as we see him in a game which can be considered 64's "sequel".

No its not. Mario games are actually awesome without being overrated They are more like the Studio Ghibli but with serious mainstream apeal

OT: Most deffinatly. It looks by far the most ambitious Mario title ever This is the game that will sell the Switch to me My god the last trailer looked jawdropping :-o

That's a great comparison. However, I'm not sure if many Americans knows what Studio Ghibli is, which is why I typically use Disney as a reference