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DirtyP2002 on 21 June 2017
RJ_Sizzle said:
hinch said:

A common misconception for those with little knowledge of PC gaming. Really, its not. It really depends on your budget and what you are aiming for.

While consoles have a lower starting cost.. once you start looking at the big picture, over the course of the generation.. they can end up being costing you considerably more than the PC counterpart. After all the; subscriptions, accessories and games you pay for on said console/s.

Also, PC's can last many generations if you pick your parts smartly. For instance, you could have an old Intel Sandy Bridge PC from 2013, and that system is relevant today. All you would need to do it swapout the GPU and it should be able to handle any game you throw at it.

That's the point I'm trying to make. Chances are, if you're a hardcore Xbox fan, you're likely going to invest in all three of the Xbox One models. and probably an elite controller too. That adds up, even with trade-ins. If you really intend to be cream of the crop, a PC would have been a better investment since the parts are modular and you can change what you want anytime. I completely understand that going with a console is much easier for lots of people. but arguing that PC is more expensive is kind of moot if you're a diehard Xboxer.

So... ehm... who buys three Xbox One consoles?

Try to compare a $499 PC from 2013 to the Xbox One and see which one will play those AAA games in 2018 decently...
Or build a $499 PC today that plays AAA games at 4k and up to 60 FPS. Not gonna happen.

 

The Xbox One X is more powerful than 90% of the PCs using Steam for $499. How would a PC be a better investment? 



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RJ_Sizzle on 21 June 2017
DirtyP2002 said:
RJ_Sizzle said:

That's the point I'm trying to make. Chances are, if you're a hardcore Xbox fan, you're likely going to invest in all three of the Xbox One models. and probably an elite controller too. That adds up, even with trade-ins. If you really intend to be cream of the crop, a PC would have been a better investment since the parts are modular and you can change what you want anytime. I completely understand that going with a console is much easier for lots of people. but arguing that PC is more expensive is kind of moot if you're a diehard Xboxer.

So... ehm... who buys three Xbox One consoles?

Try to compare a $499 PC from 2013 to the Xbox One and see which one will play those AAA games in 2018 decently...
Or build a $499 PC today that plays AAA games at 4k and up to 60 FPS. Not gonna happen.

 

The Xbox One X is more powerful than 90% of the PCs using Steam for $499. How would a PC be a better investment? 

The same people who bought an OG Xbox One, then an Xbox One S, and are now going for the Xbox One X? These are the same people that likely invested in an Elite controller as well. You're telling me these people don't exist? The Xbox whale is a thing. And I don't know the capabilites of the PCs using Steam, we keep getting arbitrary numbers quoted from random console warriors from faulty sources. I mean, for a factual statement, there are PC rigs that are 100 percent better than all the Xboxes and PS4s if you want to start throwing percentages out there.

I'm saying, that money spent is better future proofing with PC than buying the whole line of Xbox Ones over four years. And you could have had the REAL 4K experience Phil Spencer touted about if you had the display, not checkboarded. Xbox One X will be decent, but $500 dollars decent. But, that's not a knock against people that want the console though. If you want something better than the console you have now that plays the same games, then it's fine to have the option. I just say it's funny hearing from people that invested in all iterations of those consoles complain that PC is expensive when they're willing to shell out $400-$500 bucks for boxes with only incremental upgrades.



Pemalite on 21 June 2017
DirtyP2002 said:

So... ehm... who buys three Xbox One consoles?

Try to compare a $499 PC from 2013 to the Xbox One and see which one will play those AAA games in 2018 decently...
Or build a $499 PC today that plays AAA games at 4k and up to 60 FPS. Not gonna happen.

The Xbox One X is more powerful than 90% of the PCs using Steam for $499. How would a PC be a better investment? 

I have a PC from 2011 and it still runs all games perfectly at 60fps. All I did was upgrade the GPU... Which is covered in it's costs by free online, cheaper games, cheaper accessories.

My PC will outlive this entire console generation. Easily.



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haxxiy on 21 June 2017
Pemalite said:
 
monocle_layton said:

Also, I'm not exactly a PC enthusiast, so what would the Scorpio's GPU be comparable to? A 1060-1070?

Should be roughly equivalent to a overclocked 1060.
A 1070 is a big step up with twice the performance of the RX 580 in some instances, if not more. No way can Scorpio reach such hights, it's GPU is only mid-range.
Plus the 1070's overclock like a champ.

Twice the performance if not more? The review is not from a stock design RX 580 because TPU didn't do one, but there is a RX 480 there, so the difference isn't that much, if any at all.

You can even throw in the ~15% effective overclock performance increase to the 1070, it won't change the picture at all. Maybe if it was something like a RX 580 on a PC otherwise built in 2011 and bottlenecked by RAM speed and CPU overhead, who knows?

 

 



 

 

 

 

 

Pemalite on 21 June 2017
haxxiy said:
Pemalite said:

Should be roughly equivalent to a overclocked 1060.
A 1070 is a big step up with twice the performance of the RX 580 in some instances, if not more. No way can Scorpio reach such hights, it's GPU is only mid-range.
Plus the 1070's overclock like a champ.

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Twice the performance if not more? The review is not from a stock design RX 580 because TPU didn't do one, but there is a RX 480 there, so the difference isn't that much, if any at all.

You can even throw in the ~15% effective overclock performance increase to the 1070, it won't change the picture at all. Maybe if it was something like a RX 580 on a PC otherwise built in 2011 and bottlenecked by RAM speed and CPU overhead, who knows?

 

 

Nice cherry picking of benchmarks. But it doesn't tell the entire story.
And if you can. Stick to Anandtech.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/1868?vs=1731

Don't forget to add another 15-20% thanks to OC models to that 1070 as it's only a Founders Edition.

Also. I have a Radeon RX 580. I have intimate knowledge of how shit it is. I can prove it. Want me to?

Also a PC in 2011 can have more Ram bandwidth than a PC today.



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DirtyP2002 on 22 June 2017
RJ_Sizzle said:
DirtyP2002 said:

So... ehm... who buys three Xbox One consoles?

Try to compare a $499 PC from 2013 to the Xbox One and see which one will play those AAA games in 2018 decently...
Or build a $499 PC today that plays AAA games at 4k and up to 60 FPS. Not gonna happen.

 

The Xbox One X is more powerful than 90% of the PCs using Steam for $499. How would a PC be a better investment? 

The same people who bought an OG Xbox One, then an Xbox One S, and are now going for the Xbox One X? These are the same people that likely invested in an Elite controller as well. You're telling me these people don't exist? The Xbox whale is a thing. And I don't know the capabilites of the PCs using Steam, we keep getting arbitrary numbers quoted from random console warriors from faulty sources. I mean, for a factual statement, there are PC rigs that are 100 percent better than all the Xboxes and PS4s if you want to start throwing percentages out there.

I'm saying, that money spent is better future proofing with PC than buying the whole line of Xbox Ones over four years. And you could have had the REAL 4K experience Phil Spencer touted about if you had the display, not checkboarded. Xbox One X will be decent, but $500 dollars decent. But, that's not a knock against people that want the console though. If you want something better than the console you have now that plays the same games, then it's fine to have the option. I just say it's funny hearing from people that invested in all iterations of those consoles complain that PC is expensive when they're willing to shell out $400-$500 bucks for boxes with only incremental upgrades.

 

Do you think there are millions of people out there who bought a Xbox One, Xbox One S, Xbox One X AND an Elite Controller?
That is like 0.02% of the userbase.

But anyway, even that would mean they have three consoles. You could not build three gaming PCs (+ input devices) for the same amount of money.

Just go ahead, show me a 199€ gaming PC that will play basically every major AAA game for the next two years. Show me your links to it. 

 

oh and I am not making things up. Read it here:
http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

 




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DirtyP2002 on 22 June 2017
Pemalite said:
DirtyP2002 said:

So... ehm... who buys three Xbox One consoles?

Try to compare a $499 PC from 2013 to the Xbox One and see which one will play those AAA games in 2018 decently...
Or build a $499 PC today that plays AAA games at 4k and up to 60 FPS. Not gonna happen.

The Xbox One X is more powerful than 90% of the PCs using Steam for $499. How would a PC be a better investment? 

I have a PC from 2011 and it still runs all games perfectly at 60fps. All I did was upgrade the GPU... Which is covered in it's costs by free online, cheaper games, cheaper accessories.

My PC will outlive this entire console generation. Easily.

 

How much money did you spend in 2011?
How much was the upgraded GPU?



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kopstudent89 on 22 June 2017

I feel it's a horrible move. At least the PS4 pro had some purpose beyond just being more powerful, it was support their VR project. The Xbox One X, for that price, serves little purpose for a small market. I can see them slashing the price in 2018, it's just not that big a deal for me.



Pemalite on 22 June 2017
DirtyP2002 said:
Pemalite said:

I have a PC from 2011 and it still runs all games perfectly at 60fps. All I did was upgrade the GPU... Which is covered in it's costs by free online, cheaper games, cheaper accessories.

My PC will outlive this entire console generation. Easily.

 

How much money did you spend in 2011?
How much was the upgraded GPU?

I dunno the exact pricing. That was over half a decade ago.

The RX 580 was $394.84 AUD exactly (Have the invoice still). And has gone up to $530 AUD now due to shortages.

Still. I built my PC during the Xbox 360 generation and it will outlast this console generation with ease. Plus all those years of free online, 500+ games that are cheaper than the console equivalent... It paid for itself.



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Errorist76 on 22 June 2017

All your points are valid...at that price it will only cater to hardcore gamers or absolute fanboys. If Sony drops the price of the Pro to 349,- including a game, as they recently did at Days of Play, the Pro is going to sell like hot cakes...I'd even say it could cater to the mass market. Especially outside US/UK/AUS where the Xbox brand doesn't play a big role.

Microsoft will be forced to drop the price to 399,- within a year, again alienating the early buyers as they have done before. To me the biggest mistake was including the UHD BluRay drive in a time where UHD BluRays are pretty much a dead format, which won't change a lot in the coming years.