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The promise of next gen console gaming on Xbox one and PS4 was 1080p @ 60fps. Both consoles failed to achieve this and Xbox one would often be running at slightly lower resolution.

Well the promise for this current gen upgrade is 4k @ 60 Fps, both PS4 Pro and Xbox one X will probably fall short but this time around Xbox one X will perform better.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-why-cant-destiny-run-at-60fps-on-ps4-pro

I don't play game on PC, I just want the best high end console gaming experience.



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eva01beserk said:
BraLoD said:

It's a monster.

I know a guy who deals with monsters........and gods

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Fixed it with a 4k picture from the new God of War.



yvanjean said:
The promise of next gen console gaming on Xbox one and PS4 was 1080p @ 60fps. Both consoles failed to achieve this and Xbox one would often be running at slightly lower resolution.

Well the promise for this current gen upgrade is 4k @ 60 Fps, both PS4 Pro and Xbox one X will probably fall short but this time around Xbox one X will perform better.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-why-cant-destiny-run-at-60fps-on-ps4-pro

I don't play game on PC, I just want the best high console gaming experience.

If both consoles were running at 1080p then there would of course be a good FPS difference (probably 4-8 FPS, maybe more)... *BUT* the issue here is chasing the 4K dream. Personally its a waste (I dont own a 4K TV right now, probably not for a couple more years).

The problem with chasing the 4K is more problematic than doing 1080p where the X would show a power difference. I'll explain....

Changing the resolution requires a lot of power, especially when jumping from 1080p to varients from 1080 to 4k.

Say PS4 Pro shows a game in 1800p, thats better than 1080p, but using checkerboarding means that it will display at 4k. Now if X displays at the same resolution, there would be an uptick in fps, the problem here is that most devs will probably just increase the resolution (especially as MS are pusing the true 4K narrative), the problem with that is that the benefit of better frame rate will be lost as they increase the resolution. While the actual graphical display wont look that much difference.

So when its all said and done, I suspect we'll only see a small uptick in FPS and a bump in resolution, which basically amounts to not a lot in the end.



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Radek said:
yvanjean said:
The promise of next gen console gaming on Xbox one and PS4 was 1080p @ 60fps. Both consoles failed to achieve this and Xbox one would often be running at slightly lower resolution.

Well the promise for this current gen upgrade is 4k @ 60 Fps, both PS4 Pro and Xbox one X will probably fall short but this time around Xbox one X will perform better.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-why-cant-destiny-run-at-60fps-on-ps4-pro

I don't play game on PC, I just want the best high console gaming experience.

Nobody is saying Xbox One X won't have an edge over PS4 Pro.

What we are saying is many games won't be native 4K, even if they are running in higher resolution than PS4 Pro.

Destiny 2 is also 30 fps on Xbox One X, the only difference will be resolution and maybe better textures (if they can be bothered).

It's worth mentioning PS4 was cheaper while also being more powerful, then several months later Xbox matched the price, but it was still weaker hardware for the same price.

Now to get higher resolution but still not True 4K you will have to pay $100 extra over PS4 Pro.

http://wccftech.com/elder-scrolls-online-4k30fps-xb1x/



Hiku said:
yvanjean said:

True 4K is a marketing term that means nothing.... Xbox one X extra power can be use for so much more then simply achieving true 4K. 

I probably can't tell the difference between PS4 Pro upscale 4k and similar game running in 4k on Xbox one X. But, better framerate, faster loadtime, more environmental details make a huge difference. 

I totally agree on that. And it probably will be difficult to notice differences between many Pro and XB1X games without a side by side comparison because these games are designed with the lowest common denominator in mind (the OG Xbox One).

But that is the way MS chose to market it, and so I want to know how they followed through with it. Especially during their E3 presentation.

Both PS4 pro and Xbox one X can run any of the games at Native 4K .... but at what cost? I mean Microsoft could us Minecraft to showcase the Xbox one X running a game at Native 4k. 

Xbox one was suppose to offer 1080P @ 60 fps and game performance outpace the power of Xbox one. At least with Xbox one X you know that it will be the best consoles on the market and I bought a Vizio P55 4k TV last December and been waiting to upgrade my console to 4K. I wanted to see the spec of Xbox one X and compare them to Ps4 Pro.

For Spencer, though, Scorpio isn’t exclusively a 4K proposition: according to Microsoft, the console will make use of its improved rendering and processing power to improve the frame rates and general visual performance of games, even when viewed on a 1080p screen. In effect, current Xbox One games that use dynamic resolution scaling (ie they have the ability to output visuals at higher resolutions when the hardware allows) will exploit the Scorpio’s power to improve the graphical performance on 1080p, while any titles released later to specifically target 4K, will also super-sample down for 1080p displays so that those owners get some of the benefits, including improved anti-aliasing and texture filtering.

“I think Scorpio is for the console customer who wants the best version of the console games on their television, whether they have a 1080p or a 4K television,” he says. “We’ve got a higher frequency CPU than any other console, we’ve got a better GPU, we’ve got more RAM. I have a Scorpio at home, so I’ve moved it back and forth from a 1080p TV to a 4K TV – and if you’re running on a 1080p TV and you plug Scorpio in you’re gonna be able to tell. I can tell.”



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SuperBott said:
Radek said:

Nobody is saying Xbox One X won't have an edge over PS4 Pro.

What we are saying is many games won't be native 4K, even if they are running in higher resolution than PS4 Pro.

Destiny 2 is also 30 fps on Xbox One X, the only difference will be resolution and maybe better textures (if they can be bothered).

It's worth mentioning PS4 was cheaper while also being more powerful, then several months later Xbox matched the price, but it was still weaker hardware for the same price.

Now to get higher resolution but still not True 4K you will have to pay $100 extra over PS4 Pro.

http://wccftech.com/elder-scrolls-online-4k30fps-xb1x/

PS4pro runs Elder Scrolls Online at native 4k30fps too.

That said PS4pro only has like 38? games that run "native 4k".

 

Maybe soon the Xbox One X will have more?



JRPGfan said:
eva01beserk said:

I know a guy who deals with monsters........and gods

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*edit pic inserted*

 

Fixed it with a 4k picture from the new God of War.

That's absolutely beautiful. Wonder is it a bullshot or is that a visual you're likely to see in the end product.



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did anyone really feel the difference between checkerboard 4k and native 4k during the gameplay?
Digital Foundry had to freeze a scene, and perform a extreme zoom to show the difference...
Its known that chekerboard 4k is much better than upscaling, so theyre fine. both ps4 pro and xbox one x.



Ganoncrotch said:
JRPGfan said:

Fixed it with a 4k picture from the new God of War.

That's absolutely beautiful. Wonder is it a bullshot or is that a visual you're likely to see in the end product.

Its from the gameplay video they showed at E3, where there was a cutscene.

So I think thats the visuals you ll see with the end product.



Radek said:
JRPGfan said:

PS4pro runs Elder Scrolls Online at native 4k30fps too.

Yep, it will only get higher details over PS4 Pro, which isn't a big deal since it's a MMO, it doesn't really look amazing in the first place.

No option for 1440p 60 fps pretty much confirms CPU concerns.

https://www.trueachievements.com/n28586/hirez-studios-upgrading-smite-and-paladins-to-native-4k-for-xbox-one-x