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Ljink96 on 14 June 2017
Lawlight said:
Ljink96 said:

Sony didn't invent VR to the extent we have it today...or have it out the gate. It's an addon, an addon that's still very niche. In terms of entertainment or types of gaming, VR really hasn't caught on yet. Sure PSVR is over the 1M mark but even Virtual Boy sold 770k when everything was said and done and it had absolute shit games. The meat and potatoes of Sony has ben its core predictable experience. And there's nothing wrong with that, it works. PSVR is just not what people think it is. It's great tech, it deserves more than it gets but very few and far between concur.

They did not invent VR but they are the only console with VR capabilities and it is a different way of gaming so your point about Sony not deviating from the usual is incorrect. PS VR cost $400. It will sell more than the 770k of the Virtual Boy which was a new system in itself.

PS VR and PlayLink are probably the 2 freshest gaming ways we've seen in the past couple of years. They tried the TV out option with the PSP but that is not something unique really.

Microsoft is doing VR...HTC and Oculus do exactly what PSVR does...actually better imo. Sony um...doesn't deviate and I stand by that because the core hardware is so similar and predictable. It's nothing to get offended about, it works. Virtual Boy was also complete garbage and got that far.

For people who have had Vive and Oculus...PSVR is anything but fresh. It's just building on existing tech. TV Out options were available since the Sega Game Gear, nobody's saying that's new. Hell, having full fledged console games with AV out isn't new, Sega Nomad also did that. It's the concept and execution that make Switch stand out in a sea of monotony. It's not even that Switch is that new of a concept because it really isn't. It comes down to how the technology is innovated and executed.

The way PSVR is executed isn't really new...it's a Vive for your console. But in terms of mass marketed consoles, there's really nothing like the Switch out today. That's why I find it interesting. And I get it, you can have a valid argument as to why Switch really isn't that fresh of an idea, sure. But VR isn't a core business for Sony, hence the way they're treating it. They're testing the waters, they tried to get to home consoles first and not much else has come from the endevour just yet. But the core of this conversation was about the PS5 as a stand alone device and how it will most likely be what Scorpio is. A new Playstation with more RAM, faster CPU and GPU...and not much else.



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cannonballZ on 14 June 2017

Only if video gaming becomes boring to you over time, in my opinion. Anyone that loves video games and playstation will always be excited for the next best thing.



Lawlight on 14 June 2017
Ljink96 said:
Lawlight said:

They did not invent VR but they are the only console with VR capabilities and it is a different way of gaming so your point about Sony not deviating from the usual is incorrect. PS VR cost $400. It will sell more than the 770k of the Virtual Boy which was a new system in itself.

PS VR and PlayLink are probably the 2 freshest gaming ways we've seen in the past couple of years. They tried the TV out option with the PSP but that is not something unique really.

Microsoft is doing VR...HTC and Oculus do exactly what PSVR does...actually better imo. Sony um...doesn't deviate and I stand by that because the core hardware is so similar and predictable. It's nothing to get offended about, it works. Virtual Boy was also complete garbage and got that far.

For people who have had Vive and Oculus...PSVR is anything but fresh. It's just building on existing tech. TV Out options were available since the Sega Game Gear, nobody's saying that's new. Hell, having full fledged console games with AV out isn't new, Sega Nomad also did that. It's the concept and execution that make Switch stand out in a sea of monotony. It's not even that Switch is that new of a concept because it really isn't. It comes down to how the technology is innovated and executed.

The way PSVR is executed isn't really new...it's a Vive for your console. But in terms of mass marketed consoles, there's really nothing like the Switch out today. That's why I find it interesting. And I get it, you can have a valid argument as to why Switch really isn't that fresh of an idea, sure. But VR isn't a core business for Sony, hence the way they're treating it. They're testing the waters, they tried to get to home consoles first and not much else has come from the endevour just yet. But the core of this conversation was about the PS5 as a stand alone device and how it will most likely be what Scorpio is. A new Playstation with more RAM, faster CPU and GPU...and not much else.

So, the concept is not new (TV outs on handheld - PSP, Shiele) but the execution is good so that makes it fresh? In that case, the PS4 is very fresh because the execution is masterful when it comes to having a core console gaming experience and the technology is newer.

A new PS with more RAM, faster CPU and GPU and not much els... except for all the new things Sony brought with the PS4.



Ljink96 on 14 June 2017
Lawlight said:
Ljink96 said:

Jesus christ dude, I didn't mention software. I mentioned hardware. But while we're at it let's go down the line of their First Party which puts other first party studios to shame:

3D Mario, 2D Mario, Mario Kart, Paper Mario, Mario & Luigi, Mario Party, Zelda, Smash Bros. Pokemon, Donkey Kong, Kid Icarus, Yoshi, Kirby, Metroid, Pikmon, Animal Crossing, Xenoblade, F-Zero, Splatoon, Arms, etc. etc. Name a 1st party with that many IP and then we can talk software, but I digress.

Don't take offense so fast without reading the rest of the post. I said there's nothing wrong with that [hardware predictability] because it works and people naturally like predictability. You know what to expect, that's comfortable and I get that. But to me, I always crave new experiences in hardware which is why I also have affinity for Nintendo.

I don't think that first party line-up puts Sony's to shame at all - quite the reverse, IMO. Plus, I always like getting new IPs, even if they don't always work. But I like your challenge - name a 1st party with that many IPs:

 

Let's see:

Uncharted

The Last of Us

Gran Turismo

God of War

Ratchet and Clank

Sly Cooper

Jak and Daxter

Killzone

Resistance

InFamous

Horizon: Zero Dawn

LittleBigPlanet

Bloodborne

Heavy Rain

Shadow of the Colossus

Wipeout

Motorstorm

Knack

I'm sure I can think of a dozen more. And notice how they're not different games with the same character.

Didn't even hit the 20 I mentioned off the top of my head...and you can't change the goal post. They each are different series, each different with a different set of fans just like the games you've listed. Doesn't matter how many have the same cast, they're different series. I could also list a ton more...as Nintendo has been around the block longer than Sony but I get your point. But it's not like these games don't have rehashes either... but if you need more assurance...

Wario Ware, Chibi Robo, Wario Land Punch Out, Fire Emblem, Pilot Wings, Wii Series, Golden Sun, Wave Race, Earthbound, Mario vs. Donkey Kong, Mo Series, Starfy, Mario Golf, Tennis, Sports in general, Luigi's Mansion, Picross, Rhythm Heaven, Star Fox, Tomodachi, Wars Series, Brain Age, 1080 and that's all from my head. Tons of offshoots, 1 offs, etc as well. Just as wisdom comes with age, most game libraries increase with age. It really isn't a contest worth trying to win at this point. But again, I digress, this is a Sony forum, I've said my 2 cents on what I think about the PS5 and how the hardware will be predictable, software really shouldn't have come into the fray, I will stop before I get banned.



chakkra on 14 June 2017

We heard exactly the same thing about the PS4.

Obviously Sony goes with the "If it works, don't fix it" philosophy.  And so far it has worked great for them. Which proves that MOST people actually prefer a basic hardware.

I think trying to force "innovations" into people just for the sake of it is not the right way to do things because in the end you don't know exactly how people are gonna react to said "innovations"

And is not like they are not doing other things as well, I mean, they did put motion controls on the PS3.  And are now putting VR in the the PS4.

And sorry but I feel that VR offers more "new ways to play" than anything else on the market.



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Lawlight on 14 June 2017
Ljink96 said:
Lawlight said:

I don't think that first party line-up puts Sony's to shame at all - quite the reverse, IMO. Plus, I always like getting new IPs, even if they don't always work. But I like your challenge - name a 1st party with that many IPs:

 

Let's see:

Uncharted

The Last of Us

Gran Turismo

God of War

Ratchet and Clank

Sly Cooper

Jak and Daxter

Killzone

Resistance

InFamous

Horizon: Zero Dawn

LittleBigPlanet

Bloodborne

Heavy Rain

Shadow of the Colossus

Wipeout

Motorstorm

Knack

I'm sure I can think of a dozen more. And notice how they're not different games with the same character.

Didn't even hit the 20 I mentioned off the top of my head...and you can't change the goal post. They each are different series, each different with a different set of fans just like the games you've listed. Doesn't matter how many have the same cast, they're different series. I could also list a ton more...as Nintendo has been around the block longer than Sony but I get your point. But it's not like these games don't have rehashes either... but if you need more assurance...

Wario Ware, Chibi Robo, Wario Land Punch Out, Fire Emblem, Pilot Wings, Wii Series, Golden Sun, Wave Race, Earthbound, Mario vs. Donkey Kong, Mo Series, Starfy, Mario Golf, Tennis, Sports in general, Luigi's Mansion, Picross, Rhythm Heaven, Star Fox, Tomodachi, Wars Series, Brain Age, 1080 and that's all from my head. Tons of offshoots, 1 offs, etc as well. Just as wisdom comes with age, most game libraries increase with age. It really isn't a contest worth trying to win at this point. But again, I digress, this is a Sony forum, I've said my 2 cents on what I think about the PS5 and how the hardware will be predictable, software really shouldn't have come into the fray, I will stop before I get banned.

Of the 20 off of the top of your head, 6 of them are Mario games. And then you went on to add a few more with Mario spin-off characters but ok, let's see (all off the top of my head too):

Uncharted

The Last of Us

God of War

Gran Turismo

Killzone

LittleBigPlanet

Shadow of the Colossus

Ratchet and Clank

Resistance

Wipeout

Driveclub

InFamous

Tearaway

Ico

The Last Guardian

Bloodborne

Demon's Souls

Knack

Jak and Daxter

Sly Cooper

Horizon: Zero Dawn

Heavy Rain

Days Gone

Motorstorm

Beyond: Two Souls

Until Dawn

Hidden Agendas

Loco Roco

Journey

Flower

Twisted Metal

Fat Princess

Everybody's Golf

Patapon

Gravity Rush

Resogun

Dead Nation

Puppeteer

Sports Champion

SOCOM

Modnation Racers

Detroit: Become Human

Went out of my way to only include IPs from this gen and th previous one so stuff like Parapa, Tomba, Ape Escape, Legend of Dragoon, Medievil, etc, are not there. I did not count games of the same IP with different genre as a different IP like Killzone and Killzone: Liberation or LBP and LBP Karting. I did not count party games like Singstar or Buzz.

As you can tell - I love my list wars :)



Lawlight on 14 June 2017
chakkra said:

We heard exactly the same thing about the PS4.

Obviously Sony goes with the "If it works, don't fix it" philosophy.  And so far it has worked great for them. Which proves that MOST people actually prefer a basic hardware.

I think trying to force "innovations" into people just for the sake of it is not the right way to do things because in the end you don't know exactly how people are gonna react to said "innovations"

And is not like they are not doing other things as well, I mean, they did put motion controls on the PS3.  And are now putting VR in the the PS4.

And sorry but I feel that VR offers more "new ways to play" than anything else on the market.

What are your thoughts on the PlayLink stuff?



Ljink96 on 14 June 2017
Lawlight said:
Ljink96 said:

Didn't even hit the 20 I mentioned off the top of my head...and you can't change the goal post. They each are different series, each different with a different set of fans just like the games you've listed. Doesn't matter how many have the same cast, they're different series. I could also list a ton more...as Nintendo has been around the block longer than Sony but I get your point. But it's not like these games don't have rehashes either... but if you need more assurance...

Wario Ware, Chibi Robo, Wario Land Punch Out, Fire Emblem, Pilot Wings, Wii Series, Golden Sun, Wave Race, Earthbound, Mario vs. Donkey Kong, Mo Series, Starfy, Mario Golf, Tennis, Sports in general, Luigi's Mansion, Picross, Rhythm Heaven, Star Fox, Tomodachi, Wars Series, Brain Age, 1080 and that's all from my head. Tons of offshoots, 1 offs, etc as well. Just as wisdom comes with age, most game libraries increase with age. It really isn't a contest worth trying to win at this point. But again, I digress, this is a Sony forum, I've said my 2 cents on what I think about the PS5 and how the hardware will be predictable, software really shouldn't have come into the fray, I will stop before I get banned.

Of the 20 off of the top of your head, 6 of them are Mario games. And then you went on to add a few more with Mario spin-off characters but ok, let's see (all off the top of my head too):

Went out of my way to only include IPs from this gen and th previous one so stuff like Parapa, Tomba, Ape Escape, Legend of Dragoon, Medievil, etc, are not there. I did not count games of the same IP with different genre as a different IP like Killzone and Killzone: Liberation or LBP and LBP Karting. I did not count party games like Singstar or Buzz.

As you can tell - I love my list wars :)

This still is nothing, you're including one offs or games with only one game in the series. If I did that, for Nintendo it'd be an insane list. And again, each is still considered a different series the goal never said anything about new IP, I said show IP that matched Nintendo's. And your total still doesn't exceed mine... Journey is an Idie game, But if you insist to include 1 and dones...

3D Mario

2D Mario

Mario Kart

Paper Mario

Mario & Luigi

Mario Party

Zelda

Smash Bros

Pokemon

Donkey Kong

Kid Icarus

Yoshi, Kirby

Metroid

Pikmin

Animal Crossing

Xenoblade

F-Zero

Splatoon

Arms

Wario Ware

Chibi Robo

Wario Land

Punch Out

Fire Emblem

Pilot Wings

Wii Series

Golden Sun

Wave Race

Earthbound

Mario vs. Donkey Kong

Mo Series

Starfy

Mario Golf

Mario Tennis

Allstars Baseball

Sports in general

Luigi's Mansion

Picross

Rhythm Heaven

Star Fox

Tomodachi

Wars Series

Brain Age

1080

Balloon Fight

Box Boy

Custom Robo

Endless Ocean

Takamaru

Game & Watch

Dr. Mario

Mario Maker

3D Metroid Series (Prime)

Sin & Punishment

Star Tropics

Style Savvy

Alcahest

Devil World

Mach Rider

Shin Onigashima

Ice Climber

Duck Hunt...

And yeah, I could keep this going for about 100 more...barely scratched the surface. Nintendo got into the game 12 years ahead of Sony, they have to have something to show for it. I don't think we should do this here, one of us is bound to get banned. Send me your list on my Wall or something if you wanna keep going. I kinda guarantee I'll win. And Make sure the games are develooped by Sony or one of their teams, not indie, multiplat, etc.

Edit: And it's not always necessarily about quantity, it's quality too that makes the 1st party. Look at how high Nintendo's games are scored above Sony's first party. No contest there either



Paperboy_J on 14 June 2017
maxleresistant said:
flint said:

It kinda seems like we know what the PS5 will be: 10+ TFLOPs, 16GB of RAM, a better processor, ryzen vega all that jazz, you know a 4K bluray and anything else that seems right. But do you reckon they'll be some kind of unique selling point like the Switch? Or they'll just trust people will pick one up the better graphics, then the exclusives and so on.

Games matter, as long as games keep innovating, tell new stories, create new gameplays, people will keep buying.

 

Consoles don't need a "unique selling point" (also called a GIMMICK), they need great games.

But if those games can already be played on the hardware you already own, why do you need to buy another one?

 

It DOES need a selling point.  Otherwise, why would people buy it?



chakkra on 14 June 2017
Lawlight said:
chakkra said:

We heard exactly the same thing about the PS4.

Obviously Sony goes with the "If it works, don't fix it" philosophy.  And so far it has worked great for them. Which proves that MOST people actually prefer a basic hardware.

I think trying to force "innovations" into people just for the sake of it is not the right way to do things because in the end you don't know exactly how people are gonna react to said "innovations"

And is not like they are not doing other things as well, I mean, they did put motion controls on the PS3.  And are now putting VR in the the PS4.

And sorry but I feel that VR offers more "new ways to play" than anything else on the market.

What are your thoughts on the PlayLink stuff?

Well, I gotta be honest with you.  I havent looked too much into that feature.  I will have to research more about it and get back to you.