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vivster on 12 June 2017
Wright said:
vivster said:

I like those rules even more, seeing how their biggest offenders are so against them.

Never thought I see the day where vivster would make me laugh, but here we are ladies and gentlemen. I'd give you two bucks for the chuckle if you were here.

You should check out more of my stand-up routine. Like this one.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=229321

Some say it's the best post of 2017!



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Wright on 12 June 2017
vivster said:

You should check out more of my stand-up routine. Like this one.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=229321

Some say it's the best post of 2017!

Nah. I'll give you a 5.4/10 for effort with that one, but didn't make me chuckle.



Insidb on 12 June 2017
vivster said:
Versus_Evil said:
Just ban all Barney/Ruler/Snoopy/Kazuma/Nintation/Living metal threads = problem solved.

There are a handful more but banning isn't necessarily the best solution. Just take their thread creation rights, maybe they'll leave by themselves.

I agree, because plenty of people will call for bans and label people as "trolls" for not praising a particular company or device.

Unfortunately, there's no way to verify impartiality, even if a person owns the Big 3.



Insidb on 12 June 2017
Mummelmann said:
Just get rid of that upstart vivster, and all will be good!

No, more viv is good viv.

Do you hate laughing!? Have you gone you mad!?



Veknoid_Outcast on 12 June 2017

Thanks vivster for this thread. You obviously put a lot of energy and time into it.

I do agree. Threads are the lifeblood of the forum, and they should be introduced with forethought.

That said, I'm a little ambivalent because some of those questionable threads do bring in more clicks and comments, even if they're earned for the wrong reasons. More relaxed moderation means more crappy posts and users but also more content and more activity.

When I was a mod I think I was more conservative (maybe TOO conservative) and thus cracked down more quickly on bait and "garbage" threads, which may have led to more meaningful conversation but which probably also led to a chilling effect.

So I dunno. It's a challenging balancing act, keeping thread content at a high level and also keeping the forums populated and active.



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Mummelmann on 12 June 2017
Insidb said:
Mummelmann said:
Just get rid of that upstart vivster, and all will be good!

No, more viv is good viv.

Do you hate laughing!? Have you gone you mad!?

No, no, I love laughing, which is why I still bother watching E3 after all these years...



WagnerPaiva on 12 June 2017

I don´t get why you guys get so angry over threads. I never ever entered a thread that was not a lot of fun to be in it.
This is not Neogaf, the threads do not have to be insider info that leaked and very important stuff. I am pretty sure Neogaf is not Neogaf either. A lot of trash there.

I see a lot of threads about a lot of things, they all seen fine to me. I do not get the fuzz.

The Edit thing is a good idea, it is always good to make the thread better if people did not get the OP.

But, taking away rights is a very evil thing, should not be done. A second class Vgchart user... I don´t like it.

also, Vivster probably read too much in the reasoning for making a thread. Who cares about points? What are points anyways?

People create threads to have conversations, have fun, that is the end of it. No sinister motives.

Also, what are the recent events Vivster mentioned?



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monocle_layton on 12 June 2017
spurgeonryan said:
Furthermore what is often forgotten or people do not care about is people want to be involved, they work, have kids, etc. A few minutes or an hour on vgchartz is just a bi t of enjoyment from their phone they have in a day.

My phone for one is hard to type on this forum. Editing is usually out of the question as my Custer does not go where it is supposed to. Quoting is hirrible. My phone constantly pushes the cursor to the middle of the text or top or wherever. That goes for spelling or writing a lot as well. Sometimes you are at work and get home late but want to share a thread or link or video you think is impressive but have limited access to push it.

Users should not be penalized for not being a college student or someone who lives with their parents that can sit at a computer all dday and post what they want all day.

The point of being a mod is to serve the whole not just a few of their friends on a vgsite.

I believe everyone here works/goes to college.

 

I get what you say. I'll post here and there when I can at work, but threads can wait. Mobile is only good for the occassional post, so why not just wait until you have access to a PC/laptop? 

 

No one is saying you should write an essay. However, threads should be much more than article link, youtube video, or a bogus claim.



Aeolus451 on 12 June 2017
vivster said:
Aeolus451 said:

Common sense is subjective. "Well founded arguements" is subjective. 

On the flip side of that, you can't demand that a thread be locked because you disagree with the op or the posters in it when it doesn't break any rules. Because it is in your opinion that whatever was said isn't common sense. You're not talking about the obvious threads where everyone would agree on it. You're talking about the threads that are not breaking any rules but many people disagree with the op or other posters in the thread. 98% of the threads and posts are opinion unless they talk a bit about numbers that are based on guessimation. We're not a political forum where everyone tries to source everything to back it up their claims. So don't try playing the fact card.  

You're talking about broadening the net of mods so that they can moderate anyone or any thread in the murky area. Nope. What's bad or good is subjective in the murkiness. Do you really want mods going around closing threads and banning people for something that's not clearly defined in the rules but left entirely up to their opinion? With your own way of thinking, a mod could look at this thread and decide it's not well put enough together so he's just gonna close it. If you kept posting similar threads, he'd have grounds to ban you over it. 

I've seen this sort of thread posted every month or so about the same thing. Was double posting worth mentioning? No. People know that the site is buggy and shit happens.

If 4, 5 and 6 were a good idea to go after in the way you want, they would have already done it considering how many times some have brought it up.  They already have a system to deal with it but it takes them time to do. 

As for your first sentence, no it's not. Facts are still facts, even in Trump's America.

Nothing is murky about the things I said. Baits are obvious, nonsense is obvious and hit and run are obvious. It's made even easier because the majority of those threads are committed by the same people over and over again. I am talking exactly about the threads where the intent of the thread creator is very easily to see. It doesn't even matter if it's malicious intent or ignoirance. Ignorance does not shield from punishment.

I say that as someone who very well knows how to strategically avoid rules yet still breaking them. Mods are already going around and ban people out of their own whims. They banned me several times while I wasn't technically breaking any rules and they let people go who clearly violate the rules with certain threads.

Modding is in the end is a bit subjective but it also adheres to common sense, which despite your defiance is not subjective. Especially not when it's written down into rules. Rules are just rules and all it needs to change them is to just write them down.

 

Let me give you a few examples:

A thread claiming a console version of a game runs better than the PC version based on a single unverifiable instance

A thread claiming graphical superiority by making completely false assumptions and wrong FLOPS calculations

A thread claiming that Donald Trump did not lie when he clearly was

A thread predicting 150m Xbox One sales because Crackdown looks awesome

A thread saying everyone who is giving BOTW less than a 9/10 is a hater

None of those threads are up for debate because they're ludicrous in the first place. It's easy really. If your claims in a thread can be verifiably refuted within the first 3 posts it's obvious that the thread content isn't worth it and the thread should be closed. They go way beyond innocent predictions. They're pure nonsense and do not deserve a public platform on a site that pretends to be neutral.

Oh so that's how it is? Being disconnected from the reality, people in general and spinning truth for their benefit are trademarks of the regressive left. I didn't bring it up btw. So please drop the trump digs and I will lay off with my favorite catch phrase/other stuff.

Anway, I highly disagree with your mindset involving 4, 5 and 6. You're trying to frame anything in murky territories as absolutes when they are not. What constitutes as common sense is subjective to each person. 

Threads that don't break the rules that aren't a big deal might be percieved as bullshit by someone else. It doesn't invalidate the threads because one person who's think their version of common sense is the only truth.

"I am talking exactly about the threads where the intent of the thread creator is very easily to see." You're talking about exactly what I said with that crap being a bad idea. Just from your asinine examples that you listed, it proves my point in how this is entirely subjective and it shouldn't be moderated in the way you want.  Who really gives a fuck if someone posts a thread about "150m Xbox One sales because Crackdown looks awesome"? Are you serious? If this sort of thread is what upsets you and what you think needs to be shut down by mods.... You need to take a step back from this stuff.



Insidb on 12 June 2017
Mummelmann said:
Insidb said:

No, more viv is good viv.

Do you hate laughing!? Have you gone you mad!?

No, no, I love laughing, which is why I still bother watching E3 after all these years...

Hahaha, even the bad events (MS's Scorpio price reveal, etc.) make us fans chuckle.