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Scorpio with Jaguar, Polaris, 12 gigs of ram 56 28.43%
 
Xbox 2 with Ryzen, Vega, 16 gigs of ram 141 71.57%
 
Total:197

I like Scorpio this year. Nothing about Zen and Vega is next gen if you look at the history of consoles, not to mention adding deminishing returns. Zen+ & Navi on 7nm will be worth while points to jump to a new baseline.

Scorpio will serve its purpose delivering 4K XBO and PS4 games for the next 3 or 4 years.



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Pemalite said:
Turkish said:

Specs wise the Xbox 2 would be truly next gen, compared to Scorpio: Polaris GPU, Jaguar CPU, 12GB GDDR5 ram

Xbox 2: VEGA GPU, RYZEN CPU, 16GB GDDR5X/HBM2

To me neither are Next Gen.

HBM will never happen in a console either. Way to expensive.

GV100 is the real "next gen".

That's what they said about GDDR5, being too expensive at the time.

Sure GV100 is the next gen, for supercomputers that is, something that costs in the 4-5 digit numbers. We're talking next gen parts for consoles.

thismeintiel said:
If MS was smart they'd skip the mid-gen update and wait a year and release the XB2. Sure, the PS5 would probably be out the following year and outdo it in specs, but it won't be as much as the PS5 will outdo the Scorpio.

I still think the PS5 would crush them in sales with a XB2, since Sony isn't going to repeat the mistakes of the PS3 anytime soon, but at least MS would have some time advantage to work with. As it is, it seems they are resting all hope on a more powerful mid-gen upgrade that's coming a year too late and is going to be $100 more than the successful Pro once it gets its price cut. Hell, it might be $150 more expensive is it's $449 and Sony goes aggressive in Sept and cuts the price to $299.

MS would really have a fighting chance with a Xbox 2 announced early 2018 at a Xbox Meeting, with some stunning next gen looking games like Forza Horizon 4 and a linear game pushing graphics to the maximum, like a Ryse 2 or Gears 5. Sure PS5 would be stronger, but these specs would mitigate the performance gap a lot and Sony would have a harder time selling their better graphics, like they had last gen.

MS would have the premier of how next gen gaming will look, you know those moments like the Gears 1 announcement, the Samaritan demo, Watch Dogs 2012 trailer, PS4 Meeting 2013, MS would have a whole year to themselves, having people talk about them.



I don't think it matters, really. Not for MS, not for the gamers, not for the competition.



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i'd rather the Scorpio this year in terms of its effect on gens

i am happy for PS5 not to release until 2020 holiday season so the jump can be huge



Turkish said:

That's what they said about GDDR5, being too expensive at the time.

 

Difference is... GDDR5 was in low-end and mid-range GPU's (Like the Radeon 6570, 7470, 7570... Geforce 440, 450, 545 etc') before the Xbox one and Playstation 4 launched and even then only the PS4 launched with it.
HBM is only in the most premium and the most expensive GPU's such as Fury and Vega and a few Tesla cards.
HBM chips aren't the only cost-issue you have either. Interposers add an additional cost.

GDDR6 is going to be cheaper than HBM anyway and scale fairly well.

Hynix also disclosed it has a partner lined up for it's GDDR6 memory on a 384-bit bus... And it will have 768GB/s of bandwidth and probably a 12GB memory capacity.
For comparison sake... HBM1 had 512GB/s and HBM 2 has 409GB/s as per AMD's implementations.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11297/sk-hynix-announces-plans-to-ship-gddr6-memory-for-graphics-cards-in-early-2018

Again... I state that HBM is unlikely going to be a thing for consoles. It's to expensive and the alternatives are likely superior.

Turkish said:

Sure GV100 is the next gen, for supercomputers that is, something that costs in the 4-5 digit numbers. We're talking next gen parts for consoles.

I don't think you fully get it. There is this thing called "Moores Law".
GV100 is probably launching *this* year. On a "custom" 12nm process. (With a 14nm BEOL or FEOL.)

That kind of performance should be consumer-level stuff by the time next gen is here and we are at 7nm. The PC doesn't stop progressing for anyone.



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A 4K Xbox this year is perfect, seeing 4K TV's are entering the adoption rate they are.



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Scorpio now!!

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Scorpio will be for superior console multi-platform and superior online service and controller (imo)

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Really excited for the Sunday announcement!



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KBG29 said:
I like Scorpio this year. Nothing about Zen and Vega is next gen if you look at the history of consoles, not to mention adding deminishing returns. Zen+ & Navi on 7nm will be worth while points to jump to a new baseline.

Scorpio will serve its purpose delivering 4K XBO and PS4 games for the next 3 or 4 years.

This.