I see you are also affected by the propaganda bullshi* that schools, and media, and society has told people for decades now. What if i told you that victors write history. Nowhere ever is nationalistic socialism total control of your everyday life. Thats hogwash. And frreedom comes with choice and responsibility? what do you mean by that?

So you're saying that the holocaust never happend?

Look up ''the sun'' documents and newspapers that are confirmed being from 1914 and other years where those numbers showed 6 millions jews, in different time frames, like how 6 millions jews were persecuted before the holocaust happened. 6 million is the ''official number'' afterwards the back and forth over how many there were. Testemonies that have spoken how it was in the concentration camps have been confirmed lying several times. Cyclon B that is actually very small pellets couldn't go into the showers. The ovens couldn't burn over 1 million jews in that time period they had them there. It's mathematically impossible.

Yes, jews died in the second world war, ofc. Nazis killed some jews, but the whole mass killing through the events that how they played out never happened like everyone say they did because there is not enough evidence. After second world war and the sovjets came in, it was actually seen by some pictures i beleive that they themself were buildiing gas chambers too dirty play germany and get the propaganda for the war in sovjet union, too fool them. Then afterwards it became a huge that that everyone said that the germans did. Nazi germany had labor camps yes, and there were jews in them. But most of these labor camps have been confirmed to have, playgrounds, cafeteria and even other things. The pictures and videos you see of the jews being skinny is because of the desease Typhus, which was very common in those camps and in those conditions in general, you can look it up. There is more evidence now that can be showed against the holoaust then for it. Way more, and its still hard for me to believe. But im no neo-nazi or anything, i just seek the truth. And my logical conclusion would be to judge everything, regardless!

There's a lot of truth in that. And it actually applies to WW1 as well: In both world wars, the US joined into the party late, when the main fighting armies had already suffered huge losses and had thus been significantly weakened.

Ultimately, that's a clever strategy: One is going to suffer hardly any own losses, yet get the full benefits of winning the war. And since the fighting takes place in "far, far away" as usual, there's no danger of your own country getting devastated. And, if you're as lucky as the US, you can even afterwards let Hollywood produce thousands of movies that will spread the illusion that your country played a much bigger role in the war than it actually did.

WW1:

WW2:

Btw, as the table above shows, even Britain and France had relatively small losses - the total number of fallen soldiers from Britain, France and the US combined adds up to just about 888.000 - which is just 20% more than the number of fallen soldiers from yugoslawia alone, and less than 7% of the number of fallen soldiers that the soviet union alone had to suffer. And the total number of casualties from those three countries combined is just about 1.1 million - less than 2/3 of the total number of casualties from yugoslavia alone, and just about 4% of the total number of casualties from the soviet union alone.

So, while we often think of Britain, France and the US when it comes to the question of who fought the Nazis, it's really the soviets who should get the vast majority of the credits. They did the hard and dirty work and suffered huge casualties, while Britain, France and the US only had hardly any casualties and became relevant when most of the dirty work had already been done and the Nazis had already been significantly weakened and were already on track to losing the war.

I agree that one should remain at least a little sceptical. Everyone knows the well known quotes that "truth is the first casualty of war", "history is written by the victors" etc., yet we somehow still tend to take the official version as facts.

Personally, I only got sceptical a few years ago, when I learnt that "only" about 1.2 million people had died in Auschwitz. As part of my school education in Germany in the 1990s, I still learnt that about 4.2 million people had died in Auschwitz alone. Back at the time, I found that number so shocking that it burnt deeply into my brain; and for many years, I considered that number to be something like an undeniable fact, probably also due to the fact that the number we learned wasn't even rounded, but accurate up to the last digit (which suggested that the number was very well examined).

Then, about 10 years back, I somewhere read that 1.2 million people died in Auschwitz. Given that I was absolutely sure about that number actually being about 4.2 million, I got quite confused and believed that 1.2 million number to be a mistake - but somehow, wherever I looked it up, in Wikipedia etc., the official number was now said to be "only" about 1.2 million. I almost couldn't believe it: How could a number that I learnt during my school education just a few years ago, and that burnt deeply into my brain be so far off (about 3 million or 250%) the truth? When I read more about it, I learned that the 4.2 million number was highly exaggerated and spread by the soviets, and was probably just propaganda meant to make the defeated Nazis look even more evil than they were (considering the insanely high number of casualties the soviets suffered due to the Nazis, I guess that's even somewhat understandable). Apparently, the 4.2 million number was long considered to be official number, and it took until the late 1980s/early 1990s that the fact that the actual number was much lower slowly became common knowledge (afaik, this was mainly due to a single sceptical and brave historian who prove that the true number must be much lower).

Back then I realized: If even the official number of Auschwitz deaths can be a whole 3 million or 250% off the truth without people realizing for over 40 years, then there is more than enough reason to at least be sceptical about other parts of the WW2 narrative as well, as they might just as well be propaganda by the victors. And I also suddenly understood why some so-called "holocaust deniars" would be sceptical about the official number of "6 million jews" that died during the holocaust: If the official number of people who died in Auschwitz basically dropped by a whole 3 million people from one day to the other - wouldn't the official number of jews who died during the holocaust then have to be (at least slightly) reduced as well then due to that insight? There might be a completely logical explanation for why that number remains correct, but it's easy to see why some people who are aware of that sudden disappearance of 3 million Auschwitz deaths have trouble believing that this did not change the number of jews who died during the holocaust at all. Especially since that sudden disappearance of 3 million Auschwitz deaths was never a big issue in the german media (which is quite astonishing, given the fact that Auschwitz is such a major part of the german identity).

Dude, the Nazi government itself explicity stated and docummented in detail the operations to eliminate the Jewish population.  If this were just some conspiracy, don't you think there would be tens of thousands of witnesses marching forward in droves to deny it?  Don't you think millions of Germans would have spoken out decades ago in rage at the slander hurled at them?  Or are the thousands of witnesses - escapees, victims, soldiers, ex-Nazi officers - and the population of Germany and the population of all the nations they occupied and the governments of all of Europe and Israel all in on this too?  How many conspirators can you rope into this theory before it becomes immensely more complex and unsustainable a notion than to simply except what happened happened?  When does your theory fail to pass Occam's Razor?

I have no doubts that propaganda footage was created.  Welcome to massive war efforts.  I also have no doubt the Holocaust happened.

Yes, i have no doubt there was some docmentation about jews and other people who were at the so called labor camps and worked there for the nazis. But they weren't millions of jews. Yes nazi germany executed jews aswell. But it wasn't a mass extermination of millions of jews via gas chambers. Autopsies have been made on several jewish bodies that supposedly were killed by zyklon B and then buried in a grave, no zyklon B trace whatsoever. Many victims who have testified have either lied or not told the whole story, the one who completely speaks the truth are people you can prove are right about it. Those who have lied have been allegadly said it was true and later found its not. Its the numbers of the holocaust that never add up. I just want know what really went back then, and i dont think its that nazis took millions of jews and put them into gas chambers with children, will never work in that way, Just putting them all into gas chambers and out again takes a huge amount of time. Its also been proved to be impossible if it was 2 guys maintaining 2000 jews each hour or how it was, and then staple them on a elevator, pull them up, and back down again.

What you think its too big too be fake is the way i just saw it like 2 months ago. Then i saw the ''sun'' daily newspaper back form 1914 and everything went into place for me, and i was already been exposed to these theories before and denied them several times but got more open and open.

The fight to liberate Europe started in 1939...

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I don't think this thread title is accurate, even if you only consider the Western Allies. The Invasion of Italy started a year earlier which knocked Italy out of the war and opened a new front that allowed D-Day to be possible.