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NATO said:
Miyamotoo said:

You do realise we are talking here about long queues 3 months after launch, not about launch or shortly after launch queues!? Evre console have queues at launch or shortly after launch, but rarely some consoles have long queues few months after launch.

Nintendo itself said they undermiasted demand for Switch and they working to increase production, hopefully they will have much more stocks for Splatoon2 launch.

Yes, and the difference is simply this: the other consoles did not have anywhere near as bad production issues.

And as stated above regarding direct comparisons.

http://kotaku.com/today-in-japan-hundreds-of-people-lined-up-for-play-1791646092

Oh look, hundreds of people lining up for the lottery chance to buy a PSVR, FOUR months after it launched.
I guess by your standards that means PSVR is also a runaway success and sony simply cannot keep up with the burning demand for the product huh?

Your point would make sense if Switch is sold or its selling worse than those consolse, but we know that isnt case. Switch still sold better than Wii U, Vita and PS4 in same time frame in any case, and its continue to selling much better on week baseline, and also has long queues 3 months after launch. We don't know if there are bad production issues, its most likely that Nintendo didnt expected so much demand (Nintendo confirmed that) and they need time to increase production.

I don't see point of comparison with PSVR, because with Switch we have numbers that we can compare with other console in same time frame. And Switch  sold solid number in Japan until now and its still selling good, and in next two weeks will hit 1m, while Sony released official statement for PSVR and PSVR sold 1m in whole world for 8 months.

 

It's very obvious you was totally wrong with your statements "It happens here in Japan with every non-ms console, but who am I to break the narrative", "even happened for the ultra successful WiiU", when it's very obvious that both statements are false, and not you trying to spin them off.



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Miyamotoo said:

 

 

It's very obvious you was totally wrong with your statements "It happens here in Japan with every non-ms console, but who am I to break the narrative", "even happened for the ultra successful WiiU", when it's very obvious that both statements are false, and not you trying to spin them off.

Wiiu had lines of people waiting at most stores months after release because stock limitations meant people couldn't easily order one online.

Vita sold through 85+% of its stock at launch and I'm some prefecture people were still waiting to buy one several months after the launch.

PS4 launched with many major stores selling out and resupply was relatively slow for the first several months because sonys focus was and still is the US markets, Akihabara Bic camera for example did not have stock sat on shelves available for purchase until summer.

PSVR sold out its entire stock on pre-orders alone and has had virtually no restock since, the majority of stock went to the US, each and every time PSVR stock is made available in Japan it sells out in minutes.

PSP stock also sold out in a similar manner.

Consoles releasing and being hard to find and/or causing queues is nothing new for Japan, it has happened often with repeated instances for the same consoles within the first six months of their release, it has been that way all the way back to the console that released shortly after I moved to Japan, the Sega Megadrive.

The only consoles that has ever been freely available nationwide from launch are Xbox consoles, the first was available without issue everywhere, same for the 360, same for the Xbox one.

To explain to you just how different the Japanese market treats Microsoft, in September last year, I bought a brand new, sealed Xbox one in a major Tokyo electronics store, so September 2016.

And it was a day 1 edition., a fucking day one edition more than two years after launch.

Perhaps you think I'm trying to make a point that the switch isn't selling well, and if you think that then you are mistaken, the switch is selling just fine, and no doubt would be selling even better if they didn't have the stock issues.

But acting like people queuing in Japan is an identifier of its popularity is fucking stupid, because it doesn't gauge it's popularity any better than if there were no lines.

Think about it, big lines are because it's hard to find, this despite big lines the sales are low. Conversely if there were no lines then it would stand to reason that there was not supply issues, and people could just easily buy one, in that instance no lines would mean higher sales.

So like I said, the lines don't mean shit, it's japan, it's what they do and what they have always done.

He'll I've lived here since April of 1988, worked In retail for a major electronics retailer for many years, and have spent the past 12 as a hardware engineer developing gaming peripherals, I'm in these stores practically every other day taking performance data that we use for focus testing new products so I get to see it all first hand, the queues, the stock levels, the forced pricing, all of it.

So I'll just leave it at that.



NATO said:
Miyamotoo said:

 

It's very obvious you was totally wrong with your statements "It happens here in Japan with every non-ms console, but who am I to break the narrative", "even happened for the ultra successful WiiU", when it's very obvious that both statements are false, and not you trying to spin them off.

Wiiu had lines of people waiting at most stores months after release because stock limitations meant people couldn't easily order one online.

Vita sold through 85+% of its stock at launch and I'm some prefecture people were still waiting to buy one several months after the launch.

PS4 launched with many major stores selling out and resupply was relatively slow for the first several months because sonys focus was and still is the US markets, Akihabara Bic camera for example did not have stock sat on shelves available for purchase until summer.

PSVR sold out its entire stock on pre-orders alone and has had virtually no restock since, the majority of stock went to the US, each and every time PSVR stock is made available in Japan it sells out in minutes.

PSP stock also sold out in a similar manner.

Consoles releasing and being hard to find and/or causing queues is nothing new for Japan, it has happened often with repeated instances for the same consoles within the first six months of their release, it has been that way all the way back to the console that released shortly after I moved to Japan, the Sega Megadrive.

The only consoles that has ever been freely available nationwide from launch are Xbox consoles, the first was available without issue everywhere, same for the 360, same for the Xbox one.

To explain to you just how different the Japanese market treats Microsoft, in September last year, I bought a brand new, sealed Xbox one in a major Tokyo electronics store, so September 2016.

And it was a day 1 edition., a fucking day one edition more than two years after launch.

Perhaps you think I'm trying to make a point that the switch isn't selling well, and if you think that then you are mistaken, the switch is selling just fine, and no doubt would be selling even better if they didn't have the stock issues.

But acting like people queuing in Japan is an identifier of its popularity is fucking stupid, because it doesn't gauge it's popularity any better than if there were no lines.

Think about it, big lines are because it's hard to find, this despite big lines the sales are low. Conversely if there were no lines then it would stand to reason that there was not supply issues, and people could just easily buy one, in that instance no lines would mean higher sales.

So like I said, the lines don't mean shit, it's japan, it's what they do and what they have always done.

He'll I've lived here since April of 1988, worked In retail for a major electronics retailer for many years, and have spent the past 12 as a hardware engineer developing gaming peripherals, I'm in these stores practically every other day taking performance data that we use for focus testing new products so I get to see it all first hand, the queues, the stock levels, the forced pricing, all of it.

So I'll just leave it at that.

Wii U had lines at launch and shortly after launch, thats normal for almost every launch, same goes for Vita and PS4. No one of last few consoles had lines 3 months after launch and that in same time had solid sales and in same and actually better sales than previous consoles.

Again it's not point only about lines, but sales until now, current sales and lines. Switch still sold better than Wii U, Vita and PS4 in same time frame in any case, and its continue to selling much better on week baseline, and also has long queues 3 months after launch.

Your point doesn't make sense, and your two statements are obviously wrong, it doesn't happen in Japan with every non-ms console that you have huge lines 3 months after launch and of course that Wii U didnt had lines 3 months after launch like Switch, compared to Wii U Switch has much better sales in same time period on weekly basis and huge lines (two things Wii U didn't had).



NATO said:
zorg1000 said:

than explain how Switch is tracking far ahead of Vita, PS4 & Wii U in the same time frame while also maintaining a far higher weekly baseline?

Your argument makes no sense.

 

As for PSVR, lets compare the numbers, Switch is a few weeks away from hitting 1 million, how much has PSVR sold in 4 months in Japan? is it even 100k?

Again, your argument makes no sense.

His argument: people are still lining up for the chance to buy it 3 months after launch which must mean it's super popular
My retort : people are still lining up for the chance to buy PSVR 4 months later, doesn't mean it's super popular.

The point: using availability to gauge popularity is fucking dumb, and Japanese habitually line up to buy things, regardless of what it is.

The PSVR reference is nothing to do with which has sold the most and everything to do with pointing out that people queuing up for something months after it's released means nothing, given that this entire thread is based on the premise that people queuing = insane demand. Clearly there is demand, however the queues exist only because supply is catestrophically low.

Simple enough for you?

pretty much everything you have said is incorrect in this thread so ill just leave it at that



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

zorg1000 said:

pretty much everything you have said is incorrect in this thread so ill just leave it at that

Cry me a river, reality trumps your feelings.



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NATO said:
zorg1000 said:

pretty much everything you have said is incorrect in this thread so ill just leave it at that

Cry me a river, reality trumps your feelings.

what do my feelings have to do with anything? you have made multiple false statements in your posts and have yet to admit you're wrong so im no longer going to argue with you.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

NATO said:
zorg1000 said:

pretty much everything you have said is incorrect in this thread so ill just leave it at that

Cry me a river, reality trumps your feelings.

I am dissapointed in you



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

RolStoppable said:
NATO said:

Cry me a river, reality trumps your feelings.

I am sad.

That much is obvious.



COKTOE said:
! Holy shit. That's great news. As an aside: I can't imagine doing this for anything other than food or water to stave off death. I did it once, for GTA IV, midnight launch, and that was enough. At least these people are sensible enough to not be rolling around on the ground/laying face-down in filth.

I actually enjoy doing this stuff. I find it exciting. Plus, there's always alot of fellow gamers to talk to etc. It's fun.



AlfredoTurkey said:
COKTOE said:
! Holy shit. That's great news. As an aside: I can't imagine doing this for anything other than food or water to stave off death. I did it once, for GTA IV, midnight launch, and that was enough. At least these people are sensible enough to not be rolling around on the ground/laying face-down in filth.

I actually enjoy doing this stuff. I find it exciting. Plus, there's always alot of fellow gamers to talk to etc. It's fun.

:) Yeah, well fair enough, to each their own, and all that good stuff. The GTA IV line was about 90 minutes worth of standing and waiting, and it was A: Not fun for me in general, and B: Filled with anxiety, because I'd overheard that the store was requiring photo ID at the pickup ( which ended up being true ), and all I had was my reciept after biking a few miles to the store late at night. A manager who knew me from a different store was there and let me have it without ID. Phew!



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