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What Microsoft needs?

$299. 85 23.55%
 
Switch clone. 14 3.88%
 
Knack 2 exclusivity! 68 18.84%
 
Resign and go 3rd party. 134 37.12%
 
Nothing. 6 Tflops bitches! 60 16.62%
 
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Machiavellian said:
Dulfite said:

But how with less and less exclusives?

Exclusives do not win you install base.  Having a bunch of high quality games in different genres does.  Exclusives are only as good as their performance and this year happens to be a damn good one for Sony because a lot of the Japanese exclusives they have gotten just because they are a Japanese console.  This has always been a strength for Sony and probably will be for the foreseeable future.  The thing for MS to do is first gain back either the hardware edge or just make sure they do not  make the same mistake with the X1.  Second is to make sure their top franchises are polished solid top notch games to keep their base and probably gain back some defectors.  The next is to secure to make their system the easiest system to code for so that the many PC games that are release also make it to their system.  Last is to build their catalog of quality software.  MS does not have to beat Nintendo or Sony to be successful but they do have to make their ecosystem compelling enough for development and customer support. 

 

E3 has never been a make or break for any of these console OEMs. 

This is a very confusing post and also pretty incorrect i believe. You say exclusives do not win install base so why should polishing their existing ips bring back defectors. Also, if exclusives dont win install base then why would you assume them to keep one. Lastly, exclusives are a very large portion of why gamers choose a console. You say that having a bunch of high quality games in different genres wins an install base yet if the other console has those same games (since no exclusivity) then what would cause a consumer to choose one over the other, most likely it will be exclusives. Halo was an absolute system seller back in the day and even though it tied in console sales with ps3 it gave people a reason to decide to pick up and stay with a relatively new console. 360 was chosen largely in part due to games like Forza, Gears and Halo, thats exclusivity right there. Also, a lot of people who buy the Nintendo consoles (not including wii cause new motion controls helped it sell like hotcakes) do so cause of exclusives, hell its very very likely the major factor. It certainly cant be because of raw power cause they usually are not leading in that regard. 



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According to IGN, Halo 6 won't be at E3. Quite a big omission even if the series last few outings were a tad bit divisible with fans.

http://www.ign.com/wikis/e3/Games_Not_at_E3_2017



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twintail said:
Imaginedvl said:

At the end, it does not change the facts that:

- I do not find Sony conference amazingly ridiculously awesome like you seem to do because my interest is very limited and they are also showing a lot of multiplatforms. I do not find them bad either.

Clearly not the narrative you had when you said they were 'extremely boring'

Imaginedvl said:

Sorry if hurt your feelings as you seem to become just arrogant with your anwsers now. I'm glad you think there is "winner" at E3 and pretty sure you will find the next Sony conference to be the best in year no matter what. Good for you :)

Please don't be. I'm just finding your attempts o downplay your earlier comments amusing. 

*shrugs* I never said there was a 'winner'. Thinking that one company did a better job on their presentation is merely all it is: thinking they did a better job. As I did previously mention, I think MS conferences are actually decent. in fact, they are the only I make the time to watch live. 

 

Imaginedvl said:

The main difference between you and I, I guess. Is that liking Microsoft more does not make me hate Sony. And while my interrest are not so high for their gaming platform, I still own one (like almost all console) and I'm still curious and while being limited, there are some stuff that I'm looking for (same went for the Play Station Three; I bought it for one or two games). I do not hate Sony and saying that I do not find their conference amazing is different than bitching them.

That is one way of putting it I guess. For your sake (and mine too since I will be extremely tired at the time), I hope MS has a good conference this year. 

You know, nobody is downplaying anything but you.

I said that I found some of their conferences extremely boring for someone like me who have little interest in the Sony ecosystem or their exclusives (but one or two like Horizon) and having to listen to a concert is not my thing. And you got all offended by it and started to tell me how much you are surprised I even own a Play Station Four or still watch their conference and blah blah blah blah blah... And because I said some of this you cannot understand (or do not want) that I can still be interested by gaming in general and some of the things Sony are coming with to still want to watch their conference (all conferences). Looks like a lot of people are watching Microsoft conferences even if they are so bad right? So something must be wrong with all of them too :)

I do not think I'm downplaying my comment but I'm very glad you are amused and hope it enlighten your day!

And I'm sure Microsoft conference will have another amazing conference this year :)


 

 

 



With all the fuzz I forgot to say something.

I think it would be amazing for Microsoft to come up with a Xbox 360 emulator embedded into Windows 10 :) I mean they have it working on Xbox One. It would be a nice and welcome announcement too for this E3.

While it would most likely require a good machine to run it; it would still be really good. For me being able to play my games on Xbox One and/or PC is really a plus already with Xbox Anywhere.



Imaginedvl said:
With all the fuzz I forgot to say something.

I think it would be amazing for Microsoft to come up with a Xbox 360 emulator embedded into Windows 10 :) I mean they have it working on Xbox One. It would be a nice and welcome announcement too for this E3.

While it would most likely require a good machine to run it; it would still be really good. For me being able to play my games on Xbox One and/or PC is really a plus already with Xbox Anywhere.

How about an Xbox One app that let you play XBOne games on your PC. Retail disks and downloads too.



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ChaosReich said:
Machiavellian said:

Exclusives do not win you install base.  Having a bunch of high quality games in different genres does.  Exclusives are only as good as their performance and this year happens to be a damn good one for Sony because a lot of the Japanese exclusives they have gotten just because they are a Japanese console.  This has always been a strength for Sony and probably will be for the foreseeable future.  The thing for MS to do is first gain back either the hardware edge or just make sure they do not  make the same mistake with the X1.  Second is to make sure their top franchises are polished solid top notch games to keep their base and probably gain back some defectors.  The next is to secure to make their system the easiest system to code for so that the many PC games that are release also make it to their system.  Last is to build their catalog of quality software.  MS does not have to beat Nintendo or Sony to be successful but they do have to make their ecosystem compelling enough for development and customer support. 

 

E3 has never been a make or break for any of these console OEMs. 

This is a very confusing post and also pretty incorrect i believe. You say exclusives do not win install base so why should polishing their existing ips bring back defectors. Also, if exclusives dont win install base then why would you assume them to keep one. Lastly, exclusives are a very large portion of why gamers choose a console. You say that having a bunch of high quality games in different genres wins an install base yet if the other console has those same games (since no exclusivity) then what would cause a consumer to choose one over the other, most likely it will be exclusives. Halo was an absolute system seller back in the day and even though it tied in console sales with ps3 it gave people a reason to decide to pick up and stay with a relatively new console. 360 was chosen largely in part due to games like Forza, Gears and Halo, thats exclusivity right there. Also, a lot of people who buy the Nintendo consoles (not including wii cause new motion controls helped it sell like hotcakes) do so cause of exclusives, hell its very very likely the major factor. It certainly cant be because of raw power cause they usually are not leading in that regard. 

So what is selling the switch.  What sold the PS4 over the X1 on release, was it really all the exclusives at the time or was it that the PS4 played all games better than the X1.  Even now with the switch its selling like crazy but is it the number of exclusives it has at launch or is it the hardware.  

If you looked at the 360 during its early years, it fared nice in the US but suffered overseas even though it had tons of exclusives, played 3rd party games better and was cheaper than the PS3.  Exclusives are better once the consoles have matured within the market place but usually by then whoever is running at the top continues to run at the top unless they make a huge mistake.  Having A lot of exclusives is only a good thing if those exclusives are high quality and in demand by gamers and usually all the major console OEMs have a few of those 1st party and 2nd party games.  Basically having the system that plays the games people want the best is what sells the best and this is why the PS4 has flourished.  Now that it has a nice library and games that cannot be played on the other consoles will continue to make sure it keeps its momentum. 

Mainly what I am saying is that its not the number or exclusives its the quality.  Huge numbers of exclusives or even new IP only means something if they are high quality and in demand games.  All the systems have these types of games.  For Sony they have received some 3rd party exclusives that turned out to be stellar because they are a Japanese console OEM which has worked out pretty good.  Either way, this is not a sprint but a marathon that never ends.  As have happen in the past each one can miss their target and they could be playing catchup for years.



Machiavellian said:
ChaosReich said:

This is a very confusing post and also pretty incorrect i believe. You say exclusives do not win install base so why should polishing their existing ips bring back defectors. Also, if exclusives dont win install base then why would you assume them to keep one. Lastly, exclusives are a very large portion of why gamers choose a console. You say that having a bunch of high quality games in different genres wins an install base yet if the other console has those same games (since no exclusivity) then what would cause a consumer to choose one over the other, most likely it will be exclusives. Halo was an absolute system seller back in the day and even though it tied in console sales with ps3 it gave people a reason to decide to pick up and stay with a relatively new console. 360 was chosen largely in part due to games like Forza, Gears and Halo, thats exclusivity right there. Also, a lot of people who buy the Nintendo consoles (not including wii cause new motion controls helped it sell like hotcakes) do so cause of exclusives, hell its very very likely the major factor. It certainly cant be because of raw power cause they usually are not leading in that regard. 

So what is selling the switch.  What sold the PS4 over the X1 on release, was it really all the exclusives at the time or was it that the PS4 played all games better than the X1.  Even now with the switch its selling like crazy but is it the number of exclusives it has at launch or is it the hardware.  

If you looked at the 360 during its early years, it fared nice in the US but suffered overseas even though it had tons of exclusives, played 3rd party games better and was cheaper than the PS3.  Exclusives are better once the consoles have matured within the market place but usually by then whoever is running at the top continues to run at the top unless they make a huge mistake.  Having A lot of exclusives is only a good thing if those exclusives are high quality and in demand by gamers and usually all the major console OEMs have a few of those 1st party and 2nd party games.  Basically having the system that plays the games people want the best is what sells the best and this is why the PS4 has flourished.  Now that it has a nice library and games that cannot be played on the other consoles will continue to make sure it keeps its momentum. 

Mainly what I am saying is that its not the number or exclusives its the quality.  Huge numbers of exclusives or even new IP only means something if they are high quality and in demand games.  All the systems have these types of games.  For Sony they have received some 3rd party exclusives that turned out to be stellar because they are a Japanese console OEM which has worked out pretty good.  Either way, this is not a sprint but a marathon that never ends.  As have happen in the past each one can miss their target and they could be playing catchup for years.

Lol well then we are in agreement i guess. It sounded like you thought exclusives didnt matter at all. I thought it was understood that of course they have to be good to count so my bad. Of course quality matters wayyyy more then quantity, i hands down agree. The cool thing with sony is they have both-Nioh, Kingdom hearts, Bloodborne, Uncharted, The Last of Us, Nier Automata, Persona 5, Ratchet and Clank and many others. As for your question about the switch, it is a combo of both exclusives and portability. I mean its power is way down when compared to the other 2 so its def not that. Zelda and Mario are HUGE system sellers. Your comment about PS4 vs XBOX 1 is also missing something quite substantial, Microsoft made some very shitty choices about the direction of their new console such as VERY limited game sharing, no re-selling and always online, they also claimed that it would not work without Kinect which was ultimatelt bullshit. They were trying to push their clunky peripheral. Like i said in another post, that was a large part of why i also switched to Sony, Microsoft pulled an EA on me so i no longer cared for them. Also when ps4 was announced their exclusives were better over Xbox (somewhat subjective but reviews do tend to agree as well as consumers) and it was being widely reported that Microsoft was becoming a very shittt and strict place for indy devs and they were slowly moving to being only on Sony. So yes, when they both launched Sony had both quantity and quality in terms of exclusives and theyve only gotten heaps better.

 

It just seems like a large part of the Xbox division no longer cares about gamers (not including phil spencer and a few others)



LivingMetal said:
I Chose "Knack 2 exclusivity!" because it's hard to take this seriously.

The poll options are actually symbolic. I may have gone a bit too far on a few of them but I think they all get their point accross. 

 

 

The option you chose means surprising us with very compelling and highly anticipated exclusive sofware. 



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Imaginedvl said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Exclusives are boring. LOL

I guess Microsoft has more services and controllers.

Well you are actually proving our point very well :)

Because they show exclusives, de-facto it is a the best conference? Nope, I'm sorry but not at all. Also the only Sony exclusives I liked in the past year was Metal Gear Solid 4 and it is not from them. So no, those "exlusives" are definitely not making their conference better to my eyes.

And it has been like that for multiple year... Sony enthusiats (or Microsoft haters) are just coming up with their reasoning why Sony won the E3 but at the end, you can say whatever you want. The only people Sony or Microsoft are wining to are their fans. And the reality is that Microsoft fans may have been disapointed by ONE E3 but for rest, Microsoft conferences were always amazing and up to the expectations for all of them.

This is really a thing with fans. They have hard time to understand that when you are not so much into one platform, then you see the conferences with a very different perspectives... 

Actually, a lot of Xbox fans have been taking note of all of the hits coming to all the platforms but Xbox this year. its been even months and all theyve had to talk about was scorpio. Its fact that Sony is decimpating them in exclusives andd there are more to be shown. Hell...even Nintendo will decimate Microsoft in exclusives by years end. Its a fact that what Sony has to offer at E3 and PSXperience will only be insult to injury. It shows a vast difference of quality of internal development studios and relationships with third party compared to Microsoft.



Ali_16x said:
Imaginedvl said:

"lol". I do.

I mean I'm sorry but you are proving my point. I can tell you that Microsoft fans have a very different oppinion than Sony enthusiasts and I have hard time to comprehend how some people really believe they are "right" instead of understanding that at the end it is all relative and subjective. 

So yes, you can argue as much as you want :) Like the majority of the Sony enthusiasts or anti Microsoft, who are "not interrested" you defintely think Sony's E3 are close to heaven... While Microsoft enthusiasts have usually a very different oppinion. I personally found the majority of Sony's E3 extremly boring, and the reasons are simples, I do not care about their games and consoles... Guess what, same goes the other way :)

I can tell you that other than maybe 2015 where it has nothing to do with content at the end, the majority of Xbox fans will tell you Microsoft enthusiasts will tell you Microsoft E3s were the best. 

I mean this is dead end argument and you are just proving out our point here anyway. At the end all conference will be the best for the ones who are expecting something out of it for themselves and getting it... Sony fans do not care at all about Microsoft and vice-et-versa... Both side will find their conference (unless it is really really really bad which is never the case) to be the best and this is simple logic.

At the moment the Play Station Four vs Xbox One usebase is like what? 65%-35%, well I can garantee you the results wil be about the same in "who won the E3" polls... Again, simple logic and nothing objective at the end :)

I don't even understand what you're trying to get at, it seems like you just said the same thing a bunch of times but all I read was you say "Sony enthusiasts/Anti Microsoft" a bunch of times acting like the only people that exist are anti microsoft if they say that Sony had a better conference. 

And really I don't even want to get at how bad Microsoft is doing this generation in terms of games but they have the worst rated mainline Halo and Gears, failed new IPs, bunch of cancelled games and barely any games in the horizon. So I'm not sure how you expect gamers in general to say that Microsoft is doing well, but of course you'll just say, "They're all a bunch of Sony fanboys/Microsoft haters".

EDIT: And actually, I have no problem saying when one company has a better conference, I actually think that Microsoft had a pretty amazing E3 2014 but now looking at it, pretty much it's all cancelled or STILL not out. While Sony had such a bad conference filled with 3rd party games.

I never said that Microsoft is doing better than Sony in general :) I'm talking about this "concept" of winning the E3. If you look at what I said from the start it is about the content of the conference and for this; I'm sorry but yes I think at the end (this year too) it will just be about winning to the fanbase. The problem with this "E3 wining" concept is that every year I'm watching all conferences and I can tell you how much it is differently perceived from one user base to another. Hell just look at the thread, when the Microsoft conference goes, Xbox fans are very happy in general while Sony users are like "meh, meh, meh" and then Sony conference comes and it is the same (Sony enthusiast are like "omg this is so good, best E3 ever") while Microsoft people are like "meh, meh, meh". No matter how many "exclusives" too because main Xbox users are obviously fine with what the platform has to offer, they (and I) do not care that much about exlusives and I love the fact that my games can be played on PC too... 

Of course for some people (and I believe it is a minority) it is not about their platform of choice or company of choice but the reality is that:

- If you own an Xbox One (or is your primary console), anything new or cool announced for it at Microsoft conference will be perceived as something very good for you, anything announced at the Sony conference that is exclusive to them will be harder for you to be very interested into.
- Same goes for the PStation Four.

And as 2/3 of console owners (they represent the majority of E3 enthusiats at the end...); yes, no matter what; if they are doing even just an okay job at the conference Sony will be the winner in their mind because for Microsoft, to win it, they would need to counter that which is almost impossible. 

Now I general, of course Sony is doing better, just look at the number of console sold... Not matter what is the reason (and we could argue about it for years), Sony > Microsoft for the general consumers; no doubt about it. I'm not even arguing that...