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Gourmet said:
Methane is actually MUCH worse than this. CO2 is but plant food, burning petrol actually makes vegetables and aquatic autotrophes grow faster and healthier all around the world, which by itself decreases the CO2 and counterbalances any effect after some time. And yes, global warming is mostly a myth the way it is usually presented.

While it does, it's not nearly enough to counterbalance the output we do have on CO2. By the way, CH4 (the chemical formula of Methane) is also necessary for plants to grow. While most carbon comes from the CO2 and Hydrogen from H2O (water), they need an alternative source of hydrogen during low rainfall, and the high amount of hydrogen in methane fits the bill perfectly for them.

While it is much stronger than CO2 as a greenhouse gas, it still "only" contributes about 20% to the heating of the planet. That's because CH4 ain't very stable to UV light and gets cracked over several stades into CO2 and H2O. This is helpful for keeping the amount at least partially in check, but still the concentration has risen by 150% since the beginning of the industrial revolution. Most of the CO2 gets into the oceans, turning them more and more acidic (deadly for anything with a hard shell, like mossels, coral and pearls, since the CaCO3 (Calcium Carbonate) they are made of is more soluble the more acidic the water gets, making it increasingly difficult to form their shells). If these two effects where not in play, the planet would aready be unliveably hot by now

Eating less beef would undoubtly be good for the planet and reduce emissions, but it's sadly not the solution to the problem - just a small part of it. Also, while cows produce a lot of Methane, they still get outproduced by the industry, especially the oil industry.

It also raises another question: What to replace the beef with? Other livestock, while not nearly as much, still produce CH4. Growing foodplants needs fertilizers, which release N2O (Nitrous Oxide). N2O is actually about 300 times as strong as CO2 in terms of Greenhouse gas, so even several times stronger than CH4, and agriculture is here by far and large the main producer of this gas (about 80% including manure, compared to 35% including manure in the case of CH4). Thus an all vegan diet will not stop the earth from heating up, it just swaps one greenhouse gas for another

A special problem with beef is that they are only bred either for milk or for meat, no cow race is used for both. If they could come up with a cow race that produces both tender meat and large quantities of milk, the amount of beef needed could already get drastically reduced.

While we're at it, never use a spray if there's another alternatives (like rolling ones for deodorants). While their pressure gases don't destroy the Ozone layer anymore, they are all extremy potent greenhouse gases, staying up in the atmosphere for several millenia and have several thousand times the potency of CO2.



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KLAMarine said:
pokoko said:

Yeah, that title is pretty silly.  The article says that "18% of the total release of greenhouse gases world-wide" come from livestock.  18% is certainly a contributing factor but it isn't "the true cause".  That implies that all we have to do is kill all the cows and then we can pollute elsewhere all we want.  I really wish people wouldn't over-use hyperbole.

Some more on this matter.

A visit to the EPA website yielded the following graph:

As well as the following with regards to methane:

"Methane is emitted during the production and transport of coal, natural gas, and oil. Methane emissions also result from livestock and other agricultural practices and by the decay of organic waste in municipal solid waste landfills."

So if the EPA is anything to go by, it would be mistaken to believe that livestock is the ONLY source of methane in the atmosphere.

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/overview-greenhouse-gases

I'm going to guess that life and organic matter has been emitting methane since their inception but in this industrialized world of ours, additional sources of greenhouse gases have been contributing to the current levels of greenhouse gases we see today in our atmosphere.

I think human activity helps to throw things as they were on Earth out of balance much like what happens with CO2:

These facts are obviously fake since the EPA is a central part of this conspiracy.



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Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Global warming is a left wing conspiracy invented by Al Gore and the Big Banks have cashed in off of brainwashing people. The whole climate change global warming is based on lies. The scientific proof has been manufactured to present the idea that the world has been warming over the last 100 years and in actual fact it has been cooling. Climate change science is a myth, it is absolute nonsense.

Please tell me you're being sarcastic.

Because I honestly can't tell anymore.



Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Global warming is a left wing conspiracy invented by Al Gore and the Big Banks have cashed in off of brainwashing people. The whole climate change global warming is based on lies. The scientific proof has been manufactured to present the idea that the world has been warming over the last 100 years and in actual fact it has been cooling. Climate change science is a myth, it is absolute nonsense.

Finally someone else on here is going to have a harder time than me! Good luck with what you just wrote here, Ill be sure to watch all the replies you get.



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This is the most alternative facts - damage controlling thread and title I've ever seen in my time on this site.



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The true cause of global warming is the sun. We should work towards a solution to get rid of that offensively burning ball of gas and all problems will be solved. Perhaps we can launch a big space blanket in orbit. That should reduce skin cancer etc too. Then we can burn everything we want, install big lights everywhere and get the whole planet on the same timezone. Build a wall around the earth, that's the solution.



I need more metric to imperial conversions in the op. Sorry I'm a dumb American. 

Also I don't believe one bit that cows are the biggest contributor.  Sure their burps, farts and shit add some but they aren't the biggest.



Turkish said:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3302820/

After seeing this back to back with Supersize Me, which shows how the fast food industry has a huge influence on (factory) farmers and agriculture industry since the majority of meat produced ends up at fast food chains, that we maybe need to cull the amount of fast foods restaurants.

How about we instead convert burger places into chicken places?

Hence, more KFCs and Chick Fil-As.



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Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Global warming is a left wing conspiracy invented by Al Gore and the Big Banks have cashed in off of brainwashing people. The whole climate change global warming is based on lies. The scientific proof has been manufactured to present the idea that the world has been warming over the last 100 years and in actual fact it has been cooling. Climate change science is a myth, it is absolute nonsense.

Facepalm x2 Combo

I know these "facts" that the earth is cooling and their scientific proof. What they measure is the air themperature in the Mesosphere, about 50km above ground. There, the Earth is indeed cooling down. But that's because the air is so thin and so high above our weather system (which goes up to about 15km above sea level) that it

a. doesn't have any impact on our weather or climate at all

b. because the air is so thin there, it almost can't keep any heat. What it measures is purely solar radiation, which has indeed diminished.

And for some more empiric facts: When i was a little kid, we had lots of snow every winter. Now I can count the days with snowfall on a single hand, most of the time it's raining now. It kept getting less and less almost every year during my teen/young adult years, and apart from a short period around 2010, snowfall has gotten really scarce by now.



Turkish said:

It's funny seeing all the faux environmentalists who never cared about the environment suddenly be really interested, totally not just because Trump took US out of the Paris Agreement. Whatever Trump does the Clinton fanatics have to be on the other side of it.

All the major environmentalist groups ignored/continue to ignore the impact of eating meat on the climate. It doesn't matter if you save on water showering etc, because the water consumed by and for cattle to become food is significantly higher than humans combined could make up for it.

What's even more funny is someone claiming to know everyone's level of interest (or lack thereof) in climate change. You are right, people oppose pulling out of the Paris Agreement JUST because it was Trump, you nailed it! VGChartz is the best place to talk about political matters!