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KLAMarine on 08 June 2017
A_C_E said:
KLAMarine said:

Nah, some players stick with their team through thick and thin. Others seek out opportunities elsewhere.

And some like Durant shamelessly defect to a historic, 73-9 team that defeated his team in the last playoffs. I got no respect for players who are THAT desperate for a ring.

You are choosing to see it in a negative way, attaching meaningless social stigma to KD taking advantage of his greatest opportunity for a ring. No different than the rest of the sheep that lay hate upon KD just because he joined a team that just so happened to go up against a team that beat him the year prior.

Shameless? There's no shame in joining a winning team. Again that's on you to put that in negative light. KD was able to get over the loss but people no more than simple on-lookers can't? Salty.

Defection? Players get traded all the time, and all teams take losses from one another all over the place throughout the playoffs. You are looking at this situation and creating drama out of nothing.

It's a shame people allow their views to be infested with illogical social stigma.

I'm pretty sure KD isn't going to allow a bunch of baseless opinions stop him from making the smartest choice he could in the NBA.

Well if moves like KD's are okay then might I suggest Kawhi Leonard also join the Warriors? Hell, get Lebron James in there too and Kyrie Irving after. Let all the biggest talents in the NBA join the Warriors so that they will sweep all before them and they will all win rings next year.

Excellent, tense, down-to-the-wire 7-game series like those between Thunder and Warriors or between Warriors and Cavaliers last year be damned. Those are too exciting to watch, they need to be more dull and one-sided.



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Boost6 on 08 June 2017
Soundwave said:
Boost6 said:
Warriors are being overrated, Cavs just are playing with 2 and a half man and a bunch of bums.

Bulls would push their shit in, especially playing real 90s ball not the puss fest of today.

Jordan is the best player ever, but I don't trust Scottie Pippen's erratic jumper and Toni Kukoc's inconsistent play to be able to counter the Warriors. You get basically zero offence from Rodman. 

There's nothing wrong with saying the Warriors might be better.

The Western Conference All-Stars are better than the Bulls ... obviously you can say well that's an unfair comparison, but the Warriors are basically like an All-Star team upfront. 

It's just probably a "once every 30 years" mix of talent due to the stars alligning a certain way. If "super teaming" was a thing in the 90s, maybe you'd have seen Barkley or Ewing jump ship to join Chicago, and that team would've been better than any of the 6 Bulls championship teams. There's no ineherint rule against a stacked team.  


Rodman would shut down anyone on the warriors, then its Jordan on the second best and Scotti on the 3rd option.  Bulls out hustle and dominate them physically.  And in the modern no touch nba jordan would brutally outscore everyone.  Mj had to bleed for his buckets, not likethese whimps.  Warriors don't have the physically strength and balls to go at it with the bulls, while Bulls have the skill and talent and firepower to match the Warriors. 

Warriors just climbed at the right time with Miami broke up and Spurs taking a step back.   One of the great teams epsecially with Durant.  But also the team that was losing by 20 all game till some asshole injured Kwai.  

Healthy Spurs are a hell of a lot more competaive series then the Cavs.   



WebMasterFlex on 08 June 2017
KLAMarine said:
A_C_E said:

Did someone mention quitting? How many points did Cleveland get in the last 3 minutes of game 3? Zero? How many did Durant get? Seven you say? If Durant is a quitter then I guess Cleveland is a no-show. Get silenced.

Every NBA player is desperate for a ring, it's every NBA players dream lol, what do you think is the biggest prize in the NBA? Loyalty to a capitalistic organization? Someone fooled you.

He'll get a ring because he's one of the greatest players in the league. He'll get a ring because he ACTUALLY makes shots within the last 3 minutes of the game. There's no changing history, which is why Durant chose his future with GSW.

Nah, some players stick with their team through thick and thin. Others seek out opportunities elsewhere.

And some like Durant shamelessly defect to a historic, 73-9 team that defeated his team in the last playoffs. I got no respect for players who are THAT desperate for a ring.

When I think about it, did you thought the same way when James decided to go to Miami ?



A_C_E on 08 June 2017
KLAMarine said:

Well if moves like KD's are okay then might I suggest Kawhi Leonard also join the Warriors? Hell, get Lebron James in there too and Kyrie Irving after. Let all the biggest talents in the NBA join the Warriors so that they will sweep all before them and they will all win rings next year.

Excellent, tense, down-to-the-wire 7-game series like those between Thunder and Warriors or between Warriors and Cavaliers last year be damned. Those are too exciting to watch, they need to be more dull and one-sided.

So the only reason you are giving to your current thought process towards the KD situation is that all NBA superstars could just go to one team? Two words: Salary Cap. All teams must abide by the salary cap. The Warriors aren't doing anything different than what any other team is capable of so why suggest Leonard join the Warriors? That would require many of the people on GSW to leave due Salary issues and disputes.

I guess I'm having a discussion with someone who doesn't understand how the NBA operates.

PS - Sarcasm is only funny when it makes sense. You just sound frustrated that you aren't getting your way in the playoffs. It goes that way sometimes but don't take it out on completely legal situations and judge somebody when you don't understand the situation.



KLAMarine on 08 June 2017
WebMasterFlex said:
KLAMarine said:

Nah, some players stick with their team through thick and thin. Others seek out opportunities elsewhere.

And some like Durant shamelessly defect to a historic, 73-9 team that defeated his team in the last playoffs. I got no respect for players who are THAT desperate for a ring.

When I think about it, did you thought the same way when James decided to go to Miami ?

I felt similarly but KD's move I find to be much more cowardly: for starters, when James went to Miami, the Heat hadn't been to the finals since 2006 and they hadn't broken the Chicago Bulls's regular season win record either. Also, I might be wrong on this but James's Cavaliers hadn't been eliminated by the Heat prior to James's joining them.

The two instances are not terribly comparable.

A_C_E said:
KLAMarine said:

Well if moves like KD's are okay then might I suggest Kawhi Leonard also join the Warriors? Hell, get Lebron James in there too and Kyrie Irving after. Let all the biggest talents in the NBA join the Warriors so that they will sweep all before them and they will all win rings next year.

Excellent, tense, down-to-the-wire 7-game series like those between Thunder and Warriors or between Warriors and Cavaliers last year be damned. Those are too exciting to watch, they need to be more dull and one-sided.

So the only reason you are giving to your current thought process towards the KD situation is that all NBA superstars could just go to one team? Two words: Salary Cap. All teams must abide by the salary cap. The Warriors aren't doing anything different than what any other team is capable of so why suggest Leonard join the Warriors? That would require many of the people on GSW to leave due Salary issues and disputes.

I think salary caps can be circumvented if players agree to earning less. Tim Duncan is one example of this happening:

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/7/9/8922483/tim-duncan-contract-discount-spurs-nba-free-agency

I imagine Kawhi and James and Irving can join the Warriors if everyone in the Warriors agrees to taking cuts.

A_C_E said:

I guess I'm having a discussion with someone who doesn't understand how the NBA operates.

PS - Sarcasm is only funny when it makes sense. You just sound frustrated that you aren't getting your way in the playoffs. It goes that way sometimes but don't take it out on completely legal situations and judge somebody when you don't understand the situation.

No, I'm just disappointed. I love basketball and the amazing 7-game series that can take place at times and I once had great respect for Durant.

 

Not so much anymore as he chases a ring the easy way.



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Mike321 on 09 June 2017

At least the last game was close, I expect the cavs to win the next one and then warriors seal the deal at home.



                                                                                     

DarthMetalliCube on 09 June 2017
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
No way the Rockets would lose to the Bulls in their 1994 and 1995 championship years. The Bulls lacked size in comparison to the Rockets team lead by the great Hakeem Olajuwon. The Bulls were lucky to never face the Rockets in the NBA Finals. Olajuwon was a stronger opponent than the big guys Jordan faced in NBA Finals: Malone, Kemp and Barkley. Jordan got lucky to win his 6 NBA titles. Jordan never faced a strong team in the NBA Finals.

BS. The Jazz, even though aging, we're a fantastic team in the west, with two top 50 players in the NBA Karl Malone and John Stockton. Portland with Cylde the glide were also really solid. Not to mention the Bulls got past some great eastern teams to get to the finals, including the Knicks with one of the best big men in a decade Ewing, Pacers with one of the most clutch players Reggie Miller, and Magic with the Shaq and Penny duo. 



 

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Dark_Lord_2008 on 09 June 2017

Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time is a myth created by Orange Gatorade commercial and the Nike Jordan marketing campaigns. Numerous legends of the NBA including Magic, Kareem, Dr J., Larry Bird, Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain do not rate Michael Jordan as a top 5 player of all time. Players like: Charles Barkley and Scottie Pippen claim Michael Jordan is the greatest because their legacies are boosted by claiming Jordan is the greatest. Is Michael Jordan the greatest or not the greatest NBA player of all time?



monocle_layton on 09 June 2017

Michael Jordan literally damaged Barkley's career by denying him a shot at the ring. You're making no sense at all.



Barozi on 09 June 2017
Soundwave said:
Nuvendil said:

Your second line reveals you don't have a clue what you are talking about.  The Celtics, Lakers, 76ers, the players back then where athletic as hell.  You had to be, the league was punishing and fast paced.  If you weren't athletic, you were fairly useless for anything but a bench warmer. 

And no, that's not "just how it goes."  Many analysts will agree with me that most of the stars of today don't stack up to the biggest stars of past decades, the 60s included. 

And your third paragraph exposes your ignorance and lack of respect.  Wilt Chamberlain is easily top 5 all time.  I would take him over Shaq.  I'd take him over anyone other than Jordan and Kareem.  And even then it would be a tough call.  And the talent pool was smaller but it was also very dense.  The 60s had fewer teams and therefore more talent per team.  There were very few teams that existed only to be stepped on.  There were numerous great players back then, you just don't see them because you are stuck in your ways and refuse to respect history.  Do you're research. 

And your comment on shooting percentages also showcases more lack of knowledge.  The game was played at an absurd tempo back then, resulting in far, far more posessions but therefore also far fewer clean looks.  Teams regularly took over 100 shots in a game.  Today's style of play drives up the shooting percentage.  And a lot of that can be credited to the 3 point line's impact on the floor and how the game had to be played. 

Wilt is basically a 90s player ... in the 60s. That's why he was abe to put up ridiculous numbers. But he is basically the exception. 

Taking a 100 shots a game indicates a ridiculous style of play, playing in the modern era would be a rude awakening for these guys. 

The 60s was not great basketball, I'm sorry if you think so, but come on. Things improve, and get better, sports in general have improved massively over the last 30 years due to things like TV (yes, being able to watch/study/break down game tape of every other athlete over and over again is a huge, and that footage being shown to millions of poeple worldwide encourages millions more to try and play the sport), training in the weight room, not to mention huge financial incentive (become a multi-millionaire, etc.), wildly more advanced coaching techniques, far superior development of players from a young age, etc. etc. etc. 

Most athletes from the 60s would get their ass handed to them today against modern athletes and basketball is probably more extreme not less because it's by its nature a sport more dependant on athletcism and size.  

You take the best tennis player from the 60s and put the against Nadal or Federer in their peak and they'd get wrecked. You take the best hockey team from the 60s and they would lose 10-1 to the Pittsburgh Penguins of today, I mean shit in the 60s/70s players in hockey would go have a cigarette in between periods, lol. 

Definitely agree with your post.
Modern athletes are better than past ones and that's basically a fact. Just look at all the world records in athletics, swimming etc. and tell me how many of them still haven't been beaten since the 60s.
Same can be said for team sports. In football (you know which one), it's very obvious as the game has become so much faster that even teams from the early 90s wouldn't stand 60 minutes on the pitch if they tried to keep up with modern teams.

And that's just the athelicism aspect. As you mentioned there have been many improvements in studying past games, more tactics, new rules, which alone could totally invalidate tactics that used to be advantageous and so on.

Now if these old athletes were born much later and thus still active today, I bet they could still be the best of their (new) era, but defintiely vastly superior to their past alter egos.