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Should Trump stay or not?

Yes, stay 119 50.42%
 
No, don't stay 102 43.22%
 
Not sure 15 6.36%
 
Total:236

I think what everyone is missing here is the fact that aside from saving the US 100 Billion a year, leaving the agreement changes nothing. This agreement didn't force anyone to do anything to change, it was essentially a "here is what we should do" for the countries involved. It doesn't mean that we wont still use clean power in the US or move away from clean energy in general. It also doesn't affect the other countries in the treaty aside form our money will no longer be involved, something they shouldn't miss since they don't know exactly where it was going in the first place.



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People on here really think that a potential 2 degrees of warming will destroy the planet? Life will probably thrive. If the climate models have it right. Which I very much doubt.



He's ruining the economical future of the US with this. While the US is stuck with their coal plants and their fossile cars the rest of the world will turn to solar, wind, fission and down the road fusion power, leaving the US quite litterally in the dust. But trump of course only cares about short term profit, seeing as he's only staying in power short term. Let's hope so at least.

Hope the european leaders stand up to him this time, and that they do it hard.



Le meh! Just another reason for the "Never Trump" movement to bitch.

The Paris Agreement is a disaster just like the Kyoto Protocol was....(and look how that turned out). If this agreement is such a big deal then it will continue without America right?....right? Of course not, because this agreement yet again asks America to pay more than it fair share while China, the biggest polluter in the world does nothing!







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Soundwave said:
Aeolus451 said:

Nice strawman. You can still invest in new technologies while saving the jobs and money from a shit deal.

Invest in what? This adminstration does not believe that Climate change is real, period. That's their position. They do not believe in any regulations for the environment. 

This isn't a "oh yeah, we're going to invest in renewables". 

And I'm sorry but why does Joe Dumbfuck in Kansas get to potentially put the world in peril, just so he can have a job? Maybe he should learn to be in an industry that isn't reliant on fossil fuels. Do you feel sorry for people who used to work at Blockbuster Video who got let go because technology changed and now people watch movies on Netflix? 

Boo fucking hoo. That's also capitalism, industries change with time, some go out of business after being eclipsed by new/better technology. You're not entitled to work in a coal plant from now until the 2050s just because you can't do anything else (or don't want to). 

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/29/us/autos-converters-cut-smog-but-add-to-global-warming.html

Ill leave this here. I guess you better stop driving. Why should we give 100 Billion to an agreement that cant even tell us where our money is going and doesnt hold anyone accountable for what they agree to?



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Superman4 said:
I think what everyone is missing here is the fact that aside from saving the US 100 Billion a year, leaving the agreement changes nothing. This agreement didn't force anyone to do anything to change, it was essentially a "here is what we should do" for the countries involved. It doesn't mean that we wont still use clean power in the US or move away from clean energy in general. It also doesn't affect the other countries in the treaty aside form our money will no longer be involved, something they shouldn't miss since they don't know exactly where it was going in the first place.

You could say that about every single international agreement ever. It's not like a country is going to be arrested or something. But when you are part of an agreement the other parts expect you to fullfill it, at that DOES actually mean that this changes everything. Not only that, but by showing that the US is commiting to the treaty they can leverage that in talks with other countries and say "hey, we're doing something for the entire world, why don't you up your efforts." Now instead we're going to have the single most powerful country in the world on the outside, together with such world powers as syria and nicaragua. I suppose they had poor coal plant workers to take care of and europe was trying to steal their money as well.

 

What's the point about leaving if you're supposed to cut the emissions anyway? Why not stay in? Why in gods name piss of every other state and nation in the world if your going to do what you agreed to anyway?



Peh said:
A christian's mentality destroying our world. Why I am not surprised?



Superman4 said:

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/29/us/autos-converters-cut-smog-but-add-to-global-warming.html

Ill leave this here. I guess you better stop driving. Why should we give 100 Billion to an agreement that cant even tell us where our money is going and doesnt hold anyone accountable for what they agree to?

Yeah no, just because trump says that they don't tell where the money goes that doesn't mean that they don't know. No international treaty can actually hold other nations accountable for their oversights and even crimes if they don't accept the punishment themselves. Yet we have tonnes of these treaties, because they work. When you break or don't follow up treaties you screw up your diplomatic relations. It might not be jail, but that can be very serious for a nation all the same. 



I don't know Trump came with good reasons before why global warming is bullshit.

Ice storm rolls from Texas to Tennessee - I'm in Los Angeles and it's freezing. Global warming is a total, and very expensive, hoax!






So Russia is still in it... China is still in it...North F**king Korea is in it...but not you....I hope most US citizens are ashamed of this decision..



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