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Should Trump stay or not?

Yes, stay 119 50.42%
 
No, don't stay 102 43.22%
 
Not sure 15 6.36%
 
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Aeolus451 said:
Climate change exists and we need to do something about it but not at the cost of american jobs/money for a barely measurable difference in climate.

Not investing in new technologies IS going to cost a lot of American jobs in the long run.



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Literally China is now more progressive in this regard than we are.

The future of global energy is alternative energies. Investing in alternative energy helps us in the long run because it gives us a leg-up in the global market. If we can become the primary exporter and developer of new energy sources, it will be an economic boon.

Of course, it is not only up to the government to help push this along, but businesses as well. But if we have no restrictions put in place, then businesses here will see no reason to continue investment because the economic return won't be as profitable.

If our businesses don't need to invest in our own products to efficiently rein in emissions, then our companies will obviously have to expand overseas in order to continue functioning. They will move jobs and profits overseas because the market here will be non-existent.

Regardless of whether or not climate is affected by humans isn't even an issue. The entire world believes it is, and will continue on their path. The only thing that leaving the agreement does is give cost benefits to a small number of large manufacturing corporations, and hamstrings our development in what is certainly going to be a global industry.

TLDR: Even if you don't give a fuck about humans, animals, or anything, the financial ramifications of this are severe.



Aeolus451 said:
Climate change exists and we need to do something about it but not at the cost of american jobs/money for a barely measurable difference in climate.

If it exists then something needs to be done, I'm sorry but "Joe Average Dumbfuck" in Kansas go find another job other than fucking coal if there is even a fair chance the planet's health is at risk. It's not fair to the rest of the people on the planet that their planet is put at risk because "Muricans need der jobs so they can afford extraneous crap at Wal-Mart for their obese children to fill the void of their unhappy lives". 

Until we have a "back up" planet that we can move to, we should probably errr on the side of caution with the one we have, if you only had one pair of underwear for the rest of your life, it's probably in your best interest to not shit your pants. 



America will fastly, and deservingly so, fall behind the rest of the world if it starts treating science as an evil "socialist conspiracy" like the fear-fetishists believe. Europe needs to cut ties with the US asap and start focusing on countries with potential like China, or even Russia if they stopped their anti-gay + psudeo dictatorship ways.

If America is going to continue to live in a fantasy land where coal mining is the "future", science is evil, and the environment is left at the door -then this country needs to die. Hell, I'd encourage it to, especially with the anti-education spreading where alternative facts rule the land.



StarOcean said:
America will fastly, and deservingly so, fall behind the rest of the world if it starts treating science as an evil "socialist conspiracy" like the fear-fetishists believe. Europe needs to cut ties with the US asap and start focusing on countries with potential like China, or even Russia if they stopped their anti-gay + psudeo dictatorship ways.

If America is going to continue to live in a fantasy land where coal mining is the "future", science is evil, and the environment is left at the door -then this country needs to die. Hell, I'd encourage it to, especially with the anti-education spreading where alternative facts rule the land.

Yeah the rise of anti-illtellectualism and pro-stupidity in America is just jarring. I think the Trump election is officially the tipping point of the beginning of the end of America as the tangiable leader of the world. They had a good run from end of World War II until the early 2000s, but that really feels like it's run its course.

Time for someone else to lead, America is drunk at the wheel.



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spurgeonryan said:
I love the environment.

But after his statement and me learning more about it I say screw the Paris agreement.

It did bring us a disadvantage. Find other ways. We should have steppe out. He is right for once.

Well, when he said it then it has to be true, right? Is that how you watch him talk all the time? "He said it, that's why it has to be done. It's Trump after all, he can't be wrong"

I mean, what is so unfair about it? It's not as if you will have to be more climate friendly per capita as anyone else with this contract. You just can't destroy it so much more as most other countries per capita anymore after some years. That USA is per capita by far the worst country for the climate (well, together with Kuwait and a few other countries) and that USA needs to do more as some other countries which are already much better for this planet is nothing bad. It's just fair for the future of everyone on this planet. 



Aeolus451 said:
Climate change exists and we need to do something about it but not at the cost of american jobs/money for a barely measurable difference in climate.

So their money is more important than other peoples lifes?

Climate change already has a huge impact. Pacific islands are sinking. In the Africa and in the Middle East, there are enormous droughts, which creates famines and conflicts.
These things are more important than some people getting a bit less money. Every possible opportunity to reduce climate change shoud be taken.



spurgeonryan said:
I love the environment.

But after his statement and me learning more about it I say screw the Paris agreement.

It did bring us a disadvantage. Find other ways. We should have steppe out. He is right for once.

Nice to see fellow Americans are gullible enough to believe we should keep a dying coal industry on life support. 



Please, 2020 can't come soon enough. I guarantee this dumbass won't be re elected.



in that case, i'll do my best to withdraw from buying anything that is labeled "made in america" since supporting "made in america" products clearly doesn't benefit weather stabilisation in my aera.