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What do you mean in half baked?
because on hardware Sony is much better then Nintendo, also in terms of ergonomically of their hardware compared to Nintendo. Also Microsoft is much better in hardware and ergonomically of their products compared to Nintendo. With Switch they are selling well and I'm happy for Nintendo to have a sales succes, but to be honest nobody buys their hardware because it's so good, they buy the hardware because they want to play mario, Zelda, Xenoblade, Donkey Kong, Splatoon and any other 100th version of one of their first party games!  
So if you mean in terms of games, I can partially agree with you. if you mean on hardware, I disagree!


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kappie1977 said:
What do you mean in half baked?
because on hardware Sony is much better then Nintendo, also in terms of ergonomically of their hardware compared to Nintendo. Also Microsoft is much better in hardware and ergonomically of their products compared to Nintendo. With Switch they are selling well and I'm happy for Nintendo to have a sales succes, but to be honest nobody buys their hardware because it's so good, they buy the hardware because they want to play mario, Zelda, Xenoblade, Donkey Kong, Splatoon and any other 100th version of one of their first party games!  
So if you mean in terms of games, I can partially agree with you. if you mean on hardware, I disagree!

Well Wii was so much popular because motion controls and Wii Sports, also Nintendo DS was also popular because dual touch screen and games like Nintendo Dogs or Brain Age, and now we have Switch that some people are buying for hybrid nature of console (play anywhere, anytime or with anyone you want).

Now look Sony consoles, if you look at Sony consoles you will basically see that they are basically just upgraded consoles of previous one, Nintendo is that that is trying something different and new with their consoles, actually easiest way is to make just standard and strong console.

Interesting how you mention Splatoon and any other 100th version of one of their first party games in same sentence.



VGPolyglot said:
freebs2 said:

The placebo effect. Yes, that's partially true and that's what marketing is there for, but it can work only to a certain degree. I believe the resolution increase model is already showing its limits, each step requires exponentially more power while real world returns are becoming less and less noticeable.

More likely the future of game techlonlogies will be split between more portable and felxible solutions (Switch, tablets, steam) and highly immersive VR devices.

Hmm, I just feel like they'll try to suck out the differences for a long as possible.

Of course as long as the market is healty they'll continue to milk it. But I bet this year Sony's conference is going to have strong focus on VR.

In perspective if Sony manages to arrive there with a mass market product first they'll have better grow opportunities. If they remain only in TV space they'll risk of getting their market shares eroded by PCs and other devices. After all Sony itself admitted the Ps4 Pro was meant to prevent their userbase to migrate to PCs (https://www.polygon.com/2016/9/9/12867004/ps4-pro-vs-pc-xbox-one-project-scorpio)



RolStoppable said:
KLAMarine said:

Do sales trends support this? In my house, we have several laptops/tablets and only one PC but that's very much anecdotal. What have sales trends told us?

http://www.tabletpcreview.com/news/tablets-continue-to-cut-into-sales-of-laptops-and-pcs/

The above link is from 2013, reporting on an ongoing trend at the time. The following link is from 2017 and also features a graph from the analysts at IDC. While tablet sales are declining now, the research says that consumers prefer laptops and smartphones over tablets. However, the main point in all of this is that all three of the aforementioned devices are portable PCs and all three of them (individually, not combined) sell better than desktop PCs. Smartphones aren't included in the graph, but they sell more than anything else anyway.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/01/11/tablet-sales-fall-third-successive-year-pc-market-stabilises/

I can't say that I am surprised that the tablet hype has worn off. These devices sit between laptops and smartphones in terms of functionality and portablity. If you regularly type longer messages, then a laptop is preferable because of its keyboard. If you don't need a keyboard, a phone does all jobs of a tablet just fine, needless to say that a phone ranks higher on the list of daily needs to begin with (phone calls, obviously). Then there's the fact that smartphones are offered in XL sizes nowadays, so the desire for a bigger screen doesn't necessitate the purchase of a tablet.

Pretty much the reasons why I don't have a tablet. They seem so useless and unnecessary to me.

 

OT: I think that Sony will make a Switch-like console if they can find a way to make it powerful enough.



piopakk said:
Switch will probably never get downsized or getting a version 2.0. Look historically on Nintendo consoles. They never do a slim or 2.0 version. It's just not part of their business model. But of course times changes, but I don't see it happen.

"They never do a slim version": Gameboy Pocket, GBA SP, DS Lite, different sized 3DS models, different sized NES + SNES models...

"They never do a 2.0 version": Gameboy Color, DSi, new 3DS, RAM upgrade for the N64, Super-FX-chips in game modules to boost the SNES performance...

Yeah, right... Nintendo will never improve the Switch line with better effiency, better portability (weight, size) or improved battery life.



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Nah...future is streaming services - it gives ultimate control over content and paymodels to service provider and once infrastructure is good enough, everyone will jump the ship. So in the end, it won't matter if you're on the move or at home, your games are streamed and your paying monthly/yearly subscription.



Miyamotoo said:
kappie1977 said:
What do you mean in half baked?
because on hardware Sony is much better then Nintendo, also in terms of ergonomically of their hardware compared to Nintendo. Also Microsoft is much better in hardware and ergonomically of their products compared to Nintendo. With Switch they are selling well and I'm happy for Nintendo to have a sales succes, but to be honest nobody buys their hardware because it's so good, they buy the hardware because they want to play mario, Zelda, Xenoblade, Donkey Kong, Splatoon and any other 100th version of one of their first party games!  
So if you mean in terms of games, I can partially agree with you. if you mean on hardware, I disagree!

Well Wii was so much popular because motion controls and Wii Sports, also Nintendo DS was also popular because dual touch screen and games like Nintendo Dogs or Brain Age, and now we have Switch that some people are buying for hybrid nature of console (play anywhere, anytime or with anyone you want).

Now look Sony consoles, if you look at Sony consoles you will basically see that they are basically just upgraded consoles of previous one, Nintendo is that that is trying something different and new with their consoles, actually easiest way is to make just standard and strong console.

Interesting how you mention Splatoon and any other 100th version of one of their first party games in same sentence.

1) correct they were popular, but not first in motion controls and to be honest the wii mote controller isn't the best designed/technologywise product! I liked playing some games with the WII mote, but it wasn't perfect! (and if you have played with the PS Move controller you notice that, that one was much better and their proto's were earlier then WII mote on the PS2 already!) Next to this, with the WII U the tablet they used wasn't really new and to be able to stream to the tablet they got this idea from Onlive, MSFT and Sony. And I have a WII U and the streaming is better on a PS vita (which was a much older handheld console). Also the current Switch is not really very very new idea, because this was already possible with a good Tablet (with TV output, which many tablets have) in combination with controller(which you also can mount on the tablet), but only without having stunning game like Zelda and one of the Mario games etc. So therefore I asked why he called Sony's consoles half baked? (does he mean in software, technology or something else?) As in terms of new real technology and solid quality of hardware Sony and MSFT is really better then Nintendo. 
2) That's not true, as you might know with the PS1 Sony used a technology to finally do real 3D gaming (wasn't perfect) but for console market really something new. With the PS2 they also used quite high end technology which wasn't used in Console market before! The Xbox (first one) was in hardware much better, because it was really a tweaked game PC with (only a celeron CPU) special low power CPU for the consumer market. WII was a success only because of the main market went to children and parents thought it was a good console just to give their kids and it would be safe!
3) yes I mentioned Splatoon and then 100th version of one of their party games in one sentence. Splatoon is a great newer IP(I love it), but be honest how many NEW good IP's did Nintendo create compared to Sony and MSFT, Splatoon is the only really worth naming as a new IP.



HoloDust said:
Nah...future is streaming services - it gives ultimate control over content and paymodels to service provider and once infrastructure is good enough, everyone will jump the ship. So in the end, it won't matter if you're on the move or at home, your games are streamed and your paying monthly/yearly subscription.

I think you are right. The future is streaming as MSFT and Sony already seen a few years ago, but because of the consumer situation (not everyone has great internet connection, WIFI isn't perfect yet to be used for Streaming) and a lot of end customers are not yet willing to accept to get rid of fysical content I think we need to wait for a few years!



kappie1977 said:
HoloDust said:
Nah...future is streaming services - it gives ultimate control over content and paymodels to service provider and once infrastructure is good enough, everyone will jump the ship. So in the end, it won't matter if you're on the move or at home, your games are streamed and your paying monthly/yearly subscription.

I think you are right. The future is streaming as MSFT and Sony already seen a few years ago, but because of the consumer situation (not everyone has great internet connection, WIFI isn't perfect yet to be used for Streaming) and a lot of end customers are not yet willing to accept to get rid of fysical content I think we need to wait for a few years!

Yeah, both MS and Sony are preparing for it, though I'm not so sure it's anywhere in the near future - latencies are still too high for that model. So my guess would be at least one more gen, maybe even 2, and then everything is streamed.



kappie1977 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Well Wii was so much popular because motion controls and Wii Sports, also Nintendo DS was also popular because dual touch screen and games like Nintendo Dogs or Brain Age, and now we have Switch that some people are buying for hybrid nature of console (play anywhere, anytime or with anyone you want).

Now look Sony consoles, if you look at Sony consoles you will basically see that they are basically just upgraded consoles of previous one, Nintendo is that that is trying something different and new with their consoles, actually easiest way is to make just standard and strong console.

Interesting how you mention Splatoon and any other 100th version of one of their first party games in same sentence.

1) correct they were popular, but not first in motion controls and to be honest the wii mote controller isn't the best designed/technologywise product! I liked playing some games with the WII mote, but it wasn't perfect! (and if you have played with the PS Move controller you notice that, that one was much better and their proto's were earlier then WII mote on the PS2 already!)

Next to this, with the WII U the tablet they used wasn't really new and to be able to stream to the tablet they got this idea from Onlive, MSFT and Sony. And I have a WII U and the streaming is better on a PS vita (which was a much older handheld console).

Also the current Switch is not really very very new idea, because this was already possible with a good Tablet (with TV output, which many tablets have) in combination with controller(which you also can mount on the tablet), but only without having stunning game like Zelda and one of the Mario games etc.

So therefore I asked why he called Sony's consoles half baked? (does he mean in software, technology or something else?) As in terms of new real technology and solid quality of hardware Sony and MSFT is really better then Nintendo. 

 


2) That's not true, as you might know with the PS1 Sony used a technology to finally do real 3D gaming (wasn't perfect) but for console market really something new. With the PS2 they also used quite high end technology which wasn't used in Console market before! The Xbox (first one) was in hardware much better, because it was really a tweaked game PC with (only a celeron CPU) special low power CPU for the consumer market. WII was a success only because of the main market went to children and parents thought it was a good console just to give their kids and it would be safe!

 

3) yes I mentioned Splatoon and then 100th version of one of their party games in one sentence. Splatoon is a great newer IP(I love it), but be honest how many NEW good IP's did Nintendo create compared to Sony and MSFT, Splatoon is the only really worth naming as a new IP.

Of Course wasn't perfect, nothing is perfect but in any case did great job. Its not hard to release beter version of motion controls couple years after huge Nintendo success with motion controls, Sony wouldnt do that on PS3 whitout huge Nintendo succes, they played safe, same goes for MS with Xbox360 and Kinect.

Wii U doesnt stream like Vita, for Vita you need PS4 and internet, on Wii U you have tablet like controler, difrent things. Also another huge difference is that tablet controller was main point of Wii U, streaming for Vita was just nice addition.

We had few similar ideas before (Sega Dreamcast, GBA and GC, PSP, WiiU), but this 1st that in console gaming we have full home console games that you can play anywhere, anytime or with anyone you want. Something like that wasn't possible before.

I don't know what he said half-baked for Sony console, I just replied to your post. But I disagree that "new real technology and solid quality of hardware Sony and MSFT is really better then Nintendo". Yes Sony usually uses newer technology than Nintendo if we talk only about hardware (but it seem that will change with Switch) but Nintendo use that technology to offer new or different kind of experience of playing, while Sony in most cases use it just to offer stronger hardware. Also I would said that Sony has more quality hardware, stronger yes but quality I dont think so, how many PS3 consoles died on market just after 1st year or two, Nintendo never had something like that, with Nintendo you know that their consoles will last very long.

 

Of Course it's true and fact you talking just about hardware inside Sony consoles proves that, just better and newer hardware that gives bigger power, even PS4 controller still look almost same like PS1 Dualshock, try to compare PS1, PS2, PS3 and PS4 controls with GC, Wii, Wii U and Switch controllers. Sony with PS2, PS3 and PS4 offerd basicly upgraded consoles, Nintendo with Wii, Wii U and now Switch offers something new and different kind of experience. I dont saying that is bad, just that fact is that they have totally different approach and goals in terms of their consoles, MS have same approach and goals like Sony, just look PS3 and Xbox 360 vs XB1 and PS4.

 

Nintendo have less new IPs than Sony or MS, but that doesnt mean they dont have them, Splatoon is new IP and now 2 years later we have another what seems good new IP like ARMS, also Nintendo had some other new less popular IPs like Project Steam or Steel Diver.