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Worst President the US has ever had?

Donald Trump 65 47.45%
 
Donnie Tinyhands 4 2.92%
 
Grabher [by the pu**y] 13 9.49%
 
President "I have the best words" 7 5.11%
 
Covfefe 48 35.04%
 
Total:137
Nem said:
Cubedramirez said:

hyperbole much?

It's not hyperbole. The actions this guy is taking means countless people will die in the future. I consider that infamy in the level of Hitler.

Please expound how Trump leaving a good-will agreement with zero enforcement of standards and regulations is responsible for murdering countless people.



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SpokenTruth said:
Cubedramirez said:

I did smile at this.  You cannot make an argument without assuming something of me. Outside of not being a fan of any network news it's not difficult whatsoever to find the agreement and read it yourself. A deal which doesn't address the largest and fastest growing polluters while having us assist in funding their green upgrades while not even imposing reductions from the those reciving funds. And we're supposed to believe this is anything other than a political agreement because it sure isn't one that puts the environment at the forefront. 

Oh and either you're lying to me or yourself regarding the fact that money from the Green Climate fund will not go to China. 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/02/climate/trump-paris-green-climate-fund.html

Somebody lied to you.  Somebody told you the money went to China.  They were using you to spread that information.  That should piss you off.

I love the per person contribution graph and how they are trying to create a meme that the US is not even giving their 'fair share' amount. 

Also your link only shows projects for 2016 that have been approved. Nothing stated there refutes the fact that China is amoung the countries who would recieve funds from the climate fund going forward as their classification.

I shouldn't even have to do this but frankly your hubrisis laughable. Go read the entire article 9 section of the agreement and understand under this agreement China is a developing country. 

I have nothing else to say, this has become boring. 



outlawauron said:
Nem said:

It's not hyperbole. The actions this guy is taking means countless people will die in the future. I consider that infamy in the level of Hitler.

Please expound how Trump leaving a good-will agreement with zero enforcement of standards and regulations is responsible for murdering countless people.

 

The measures would prevent the temperatures from rising more than the point of no return yearly. So, now either the rest of the countries make a bigger effort or we will all fry. Yes, you included if you live long enough. But feel free to keep supporting him. What could go wrong eh?

'The world’s nations had already been struggling to reduce emissions deeply enough to prevent global average temperatures from rising more than 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) above preindustrial levels, the threshold deemed unacceptably risky. The Paris climate deal was meant to provide a structure to ratchet up those efforts over time. Now, the world’s largest economy has clearly stated that it wants no part of that process.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/climate/us-paris-accord-what-happens-next.html?_r=0



Nem said:
outlawauron said:

Please expound how Trump leaving a good-will agreement with zero enforcement of standards and regulations is responsible for murdering countless people.

The measures would prevent the temperatures from rising more than the point of no return yearly. So, now either the rest of the countries make a bigger effort or we will all fry. Yes, you included if you live long enough. But feel free to keep supporting him. What could go wrong eh?

'The world’s nations had already been struggling to reduce emissions deeply enough to prevent global average temperatures from rising more than 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) above preindustrial levels, the threshold deemed unacceptably risky. The Paris climate deal was meant to provide a structure to ratchet up those efforts over time. Now, the world’s largest economy has clearly stated that it wants no part of that process.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/climate/us-paris-accord-what-happens-next.html?_r=0

I've never supported Trump (I voted for other candidate and argued against him in GOP primaries), I just don't think he's Hitler.

And the thought that all of the countries in the Paris Accords are going to make a bigger effort than the US to reduce carbon emissions.



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outlawauron said:
Nem said:

The measures would prevent the temperatures from rising more than the point of no return yearly. So, now either the rest of the countries make a bigger effort or we will all fry. Yes, you included if you live long enough. But feel free to keep supporting him. What could go wrong eh?

'The world’s nations had already been struggling to reduce emissions deeply enough to prevent global average temperatures from rising more than 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit) above preindustrial levels, the threshold deemed unacceptably risky. The Paris climate deal was meant to provide a structure to ratchet up those efforts over time. Now, the world’s largest economy has clearly stated that it wants no part of that process.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/01/climate/us-paris-accord-what-happens-next.html?_r=0

I've never supported Trump (I voted for other candidate and argued against him in GOP primaries), I just don't think he's Hitler.

And the thought that all of the countries in the Paris Accords are going to make a bigger effort than the US to reduce carbon emissions.

I apologise for the comment then.

No, i think the countries all were making their part. When the US refuses to do theirs, wich they themselves set what difference can all the small countries make? It was a very difficult and heroic agreement to make. The US leaving it is presently a death sentence to the world.

I think that the new people beeing born in the future will look back at us and particularly this moment as a moment of infamy that doomed us all, unless of course, the course gets corrected before then.



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Nem said:
outlawauron said:

I've never supported Trump (I voted for other candidate and argued against him in GOP primaries), I just don't think he's Hitler.

And the thought that all of the countries in the Paris Accords are going to make a bigger effort than the US to reduce carbon emissions.

I apologise for the comment then.

No, i think the countries all were making their part. When the US refuses to do theirs, wich they themselves set what difference can all the small countries make? It was a very difficult and heroic agreement to make. The US leaving it is presently a death sentence to the world.

I think that the new people beeing born in the future will look back at us and particularly this moment as a moment of infamy that doomed us all, unless of course, the course gets corrected before then.

I just don't see that as a fact. The US will continue to invest more in clean energy, and continue to reduce emissions. If abiding by the agreement puts the US at an economic disadvantage (which it does), then someone like Trump is going to be against it.



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SpokenTruth said:
outlawauron said:

I just don't see that as a fact. The US will continue to invest more in clean energy, and continue to reduce emissions. If it abiding by the agreement puts the US at an economic disadvantage (which it does), then someone like Trump is going to be against it.

Please define in detail this economic disadvantage.

China is classified as a developing country and would not be held to the same standard/regulations as the United States, Japan, and Germany.



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outlawauron said:
Nem said:

I apologise for the comment then.

No, i think the countries all were making their part. When the US refuses to do theirs, wich they themselves set what difference can all the small countries make? It was a very difficult and heroic agreement to make. The US leaving it is presently a death sentence to the world.

I think that the new people beeing born in the future will look back at us and particularly this moment as a moment of infamy that doomed us all, unless of course, the course gets corrected before then.

I just don't see that as a fact. The US will continue to invest more in clean energy, and continue to reduce emissions. If it abiding by the agreement puts the US at an economic disadvantage (which it does), then someone like Trump is going to be against it.

The agreement gave us somewhat of a garantee. Such a garantee no longer exists. It may or may not happen.

I also disagree about the economic repercussions to the US, in particular with them beeing more impactful to the US than any other nation in the world. I think its a burden all are carrying.



Maybe this will help some understand the situation with a bit of humor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5scez5dqtAc