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Nintendo made several eastern third parties pretty happy with the Switch, it seems. Just look at it:

Konami - Super Bomberman R - 500k sales. That's quite a lot!

Capcom - USFII and MHXX so far. Both will do pretty good. Of course MHXX will sell much more, but Street Fighter's sales will be good nontheless, relatively speaking to the resources put into it.

Sega - Puyo Puyo x Tetris sees strong sales so far. I hope Sonic Mania strikes hard as it fits right into the nostalgia train.

Square Enix - Dragon Quest XI and Dragon Quest Heroes I+II are a strong commitment. Those games will strike in Japan for sure. Project Octopath Traveler still has me excited. I hope it sells well.

Koei Tecmo - Fire Emblem Warriors should do quite okay if Hyrule Warriors can be used as an indicator.

Atlus - Here's hope that Shin Megami Tensei becomes a hit.

Nippon Ichi Software - Disgaea 5 saw high preorders of around 200k. That's a good number.

Namco Bandai - A Tales game is announced, and Tales is very popular both in Japan and the US. They also announced a Classics Collection in a Direct recently, but I honestly can't tell how good this will sell.

Western third parties don't give a fuck about the Switch it seems, safe for Skyrim, but I'll wait and see how many sales this will get. Hard to tell for me. Oh right, Minecraft should do okay no matter where it releases on.

So, after all, the way Nintendo colaborates with eastern third parties seems to be the right one as they all see quite some success. Notice that all of these games above have a significant arcady feel to them which seems to resonate very well with the target audience. All of them don't have the shiny AAA stigma yet still sell good. Therefore, I conclude that Nintendo doesn't need western third parties. They are just the icing on the cake.

I believe many western third parties will use Skyrim as an indicator towards gamers' interest in western games. So this is not in Nintendo's hands, Bethesda is in charge on this front now. Let's pray for the best...



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Don't forget Ubisoft with Just Dance, Steep, and Rayman Legends, Mario Rabbids RPG.
Honestly though they should've ported like Assassins creed 4 or Farcry 3/4 instead of Steep and Just dance.



Bet with Intrinsic:

The Switch will outsell 3DS (based on VGchartz numbers), according to me, while Intrinsic thinks the opposite will hold true. One month avatar control for the loser's avatar.

twintail said:
Nintendo will need western 3rd parties if they want continued success with switch.

I think it's short sighted to assume otherwise.
Also I don't think a port of an old game will indicate much.

Why? The appeal is already there.



twintail said:
Nintendo will need western 3rd parties if they want continued success with switch.

I think it's short sighted to assume otherwise.
Also I don't think a port of an old game will indicate much.

I think you overestimate the value of 3rd parties concerning Nintendo. Yes they are primordial for Sony and Microsoft. One has a 1st party line up that doesn't move hardware and the other has nothing left. Nintendo is clearly focusing on their own line up and also giving an opportunity for those smaller studio to grow. Western AAA is clearly not in their strategy and they'll be good this way.

And also, the number of A dosen't guaranty the quality of the product, maybe it's to let some space for smaller western studio. Especially since the bigger studios has been disappointing alor in the last few years.



My opinion.

Nintendo needs to focus on core games for the switch, they cant rely on 3rd parties for this. Let the 3rd parties deliver the more casual fare.

There needs to be a fire emblem Switch, and like time now. If they were smart they would do a deluxe edition of Radiant Dawn (best in series IMO), and then get a new fire emblem designed for Switch out in the next 12-18 months.



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Wii- 72 million   3rd Year Peak, better slate of releases

360- 37 million   Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak

PS3- 29 million  Sales should pick up next year, 3rd year peak and price cut

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bigjon said:
My opinion.

Nintendo needs to focus on core games for the switch, they cant rely on 3rd parties for this. Let the 3rd parties deliver the more casual fare.

There needs to be a fire emblem Switch, and like time now. If they were smart they would do a deluxe edition of Radiant Dawn (best in series IMO), and then get a new fire emblem designed for Switch out in the next 12-18 months.

There's already a real Fire Emblem game announced and stated for a 2018 release :)



Namco has a Tales game on the way for Switch which should do quite well especially in Japan, I have a feeling Skyrim may do better than expected.



Western devs supported the Wii and Wii U more than Japanese developers did, they got burned hard on the Wii U and are more cautious this time around. I get it.

Japanese support for Switch is still IMO underwhelming given that it's a Nintendo portable, like wake up you idiots, you probably want to support this thing.

Tekken 7 launching this week should have a Switch version IMO. Marvel Vs. Capcom Infinity should have a Switch version. Level 5 having nothing for Switch's launch is bizarre too. While DQXI is nice, having it come out probably months after the PS4/3DS is some bullshit too. 

Are the lights even on at Sega HQ? SNK is making decent $$$ from Neo Geo ROM dumps, I'd have to think Genesis-era Sega games could've sold more for Sega. 



@ Wyrdness: Oh that's right, thanks for the reminder! I'll add that to the OP.



GoOnKid said:

Nintendo made several eastern third parties pretty happy with the Switch, it seems. Just look at it:

Konami - Super Bomberman R - 500k sales. That's quite a lot!

Sadly, nothing else announced from them so far. But considering it's Konami, that's not a surprise.

Capcom - USFII and MHXX so far. Both will do pretty good. Of course MHXX will sell much more, but Street Fighter's sales will be good nontheless, relatively speaking to the resources put into it.

Sega - Puyo Puyo x Tetris sees strong sales so far. I hope Sonic Mania strikes hard as it fits right into the nostalgia train.

Square Enix - Dragon Quest XI and Dragon Quest Heroes I+II are a strong commitment. Those games will strike in Japan for sure. Project Octopath Traveler still has me excited. I hope it sells well.

Koei Tecmo - Fire Emblem Warriors should do quite okay if Hyrule Warriors can be used as an indicator.

I hope Nobunaga's Ambition comes to the west. Btw, they already announced a new one for next year, apparently

Atlus - Here's hope that Shin Megami Tensei becomes a hit.

Atlus is the developer, but it gets published by Sega

Nippon Ichi Software - Disgaea 5 saw high preorders of around 200k. That's a good number.

Now the only one left for me is Namco Bandai. They announced a Classics Collection in a Direct recently, but I honestly can't tell how good this will sell.

You're forgetting Dragonball Xenoverse 2; a new Tales and Taiko Drum have also been announced already, just like a deluxe edition of One Piece Unlimited World Red

Western third parties don't give a fuck about the Switch it seems, safe for Skyrim, but I'll wait and see how many sales this will get. Hard to tell for me. Oh right, Minecraft should do okay no matter where it releases on.

Ubisoft though did already commit to the Switch: Just Dance, Rayman Legends, Mario and Rabbits and Steep. The monopoly game announced for Switch apparently comes from Ubisoft, too.

Warner Bros is in with Lego and Movie adaptations, not too much but at least something already

But I hold any judgement until E3 has come and gone again, as there will probably be a slew of new announcments for the Switch then.

So, after all, the way Nintendo colaborates with eastern third parties seems to be the right one as they all see quite some success. Notice that all of these games above have a significant arcady feel to them which seems to resonate very well with the target audience. All of them don't have the shiny AAA stigma yet still sell good. Therefore, I conclude that Nintendo doesn't need western third parties. They are just the icing on the cake.

I believe many western third parties will use Skyrim as an indicator towards gamers' interest in western games. So this is not in Nintendo's hands, Bethesda is in charge on this front now. Let's pray for the best...