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I've never been around much drug use in my life, but as an artist I do see a lot of people who claim to need weed or LSD to function creatively. I've had several classmates/coworkers accost me for not being interested, accusing me of failing to "unlock my creative potential" or whatever. I think that's frankly bullshit, and absolutely a sign of dependency. I have no problem with weed use or it being made legal (voted to legalize it in California, even though I'll likely never use it), but I've gotten pretty tired of the defensiveness and pretentiousness in the culture.

As for myself, I do have to admit that I'm pretty chemically addicted to coffee. I can't seem to go a day without it, and even though coffee isn't that bad for you compared to many other addictive substances, I don't like knowing that I'm so attached to it.



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VGPolyglot said:
Qwark said:

It's not a permanent solution but it is a temporal one. If you don't put them in jail innocent people need to pay for their addiction in what world is that fair. You can't sober everyone up since its too costly rehab is a very intensive and costly business. If you would put every junky in rehab and a large percentage will still go back to using drugs it would cost billions of dollars in the US alone. In a perfect world you would everyone with their addiction in this world however these funds can better be spend on Healthcare and education.

I don't think you realize how much putting a person in jail costs. It's very expensive, so the money argument doesn't make sense.

Rehab is not cheap besides do you want people that support the world of organised crime not to be punished. There are very clear laws about using drugs and not punishing people breaking these laws because you think they are stupid sounds even worse. Drug cartel take and ruin lives just like the Jakuza, Maffia and others. Drugs is in one way or another a source of income for these type of organisions. Bow legalising drugs as meth and cocaïne will kill people as well. So punishing those who use drugs is still the best option we have.



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Qwark said:
Ka-pi96 said:

That's a direct result of it beind condemned and penalised so heavily though. If it were legalised and regulated then that wouldn't happen.

It also sounds like you're equating using drugs with terrorism which is just ridiculous. I don't know about you but I'd MUCH rather someone were to become a drug addict than a terrorist...

Have you seen how a drug cartel operates a drug cartel isn't much better than a terrorist. There intentions are just different, but I see both rather 6 feet in the ground than breathing. Buying drugs pretty much equals supporting those cartels which terrorize thousands if not millions of people. Besides heavy drug addicts will eventually commit crimes just to get money for drugs which is a more direct result to be against drug addiction. A person doesn't need drugs snd they will destroy a human body especially drugs like meth, cocaïne and heroïn.

Just like buying phones equals supporting bloodphone wars in Congo?



Flilix said:
Qwark said:

Have you seen how a drug cartel operates a drug cartel isn't much better than a terrorist. There intentions are just different, but I see both rather 6 feet in the ground than breathing. Buying drugs pretty much equals supporting those cartels which terrorize thousands if not millions of people. Besides heavy drug addicts will eventually commit crimes just to get money for drugs which is a more direct result to be against drug addiction. A person doesn't need drugs snd they will destroy a human body especially drugs like meth, cocaïne and heroïn.

Just like buying phones equals supporting bloodphone wars in Congo?

Difference is a phone is an item one needs to function in society. Drugs are not necesary to function as a human being. Besides the relationship between buying drugs and supporting cartels is a lot more direct than funding war by buying gas, phones or electronics with rare substances which can only be found in war zones.Besides not every brand fuels that war equally to begin with.

Nintendo for instance buys their minerals pretty much  not bloodfree and so does HTC. They have no idea whete they come from. Dell and Microsoft on the other hand do know that after taking measures. But you can't expect people to know every little detail about ordinary legal products. You can however expect them to know that drugs are illegal and for dome  hood reasons too. If not for your own sake than for the sake of others. Companies that do buy blood minerals since it not phone exclusives probably including Sony should be punished for that though. Just like Nike got punished for child labour and BP for environmental damage.

 

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/08/16/tech/gaming-gadgets/congo-blood-phones-report/

 



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Boost6 said:
Pemalite said:

Death penalty? Nah. And I am glad to live in a country that abolished it decades ago.

They would be better served being thrown into jail, given rehab.
And forced to pay back society, make them farm the land in an enclosed environment and donate that food to the poor and homeless. At-least some good comes from it all.

So progressive, nothing better then living in society knowing pedophiles mass murders and rapists and terrorists get to live on the dime of the tax payers and  good chance they get one one day.   

Nothing but tax dollers wasted on criminal scum, awesome.  

They are a drain on society, will never pay back anything.  

The rest is plain delusional.

What's wrong with being progressive? Better to be progressive rather than living, stuck in the past. - Technology, science, information hasn't stood still?

As a nation we have a great emphasis on human rights and as a nation we believe everyone has a right to live, that's a good thing, not a bad thing to be ashamed of.
And it's also why as a nation our international mandate has been to push a similar agenda internationally. - That and the abolishment of Nuclear Weapons.

We abolished the death penalty because it didn't stop crime. It didn't reduce crime.
We also had instances (Happens in EVERY country that has the death penalty!) where people were being put to death and thanks to advancements in science and technology or new evidence were found to actually be innocent people years later.
The death penalty was killing innocent civilians. Unacceptable. One innocent life is one to many, the system clearly wasn't working. So we changed it.

As for Pedophiles, Mass Murderers, Rapists and Terrorists having the chance to be free one day... That's not true.
Martin Bryant was a mass murderer... He gets 35 life sentences plus 1,035 years without parole in jail for murdering 35 people in the mid 90's, we also took a progressive approach (Ironically by a conservative government!) and removed guns from our streets. - Since then we haven't had another massacre.

Instead of giving the death penalty for every drug user, hows about actually fitting the punishment for the actual crime? Makes better sense. This is 2017 for christ sake, we aren't barbarians.



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Ka-pi96 said:
Qwark said:

Have you seen how a drug cartel operates a drug cartel isn't much better than a terrorist. There intentions are just different, but I see both rather 6 feet in the ground than breathing. Buying drugs pretty much equals supporting those cartels which terrorize thousands if not millions of people. Besides heavy drug addicts will eventually commit crimes just to get money for drugs which is a more direct result to be against drug addiction. A person doesn't need drugs snd they will destroy a human body especially drugs like meth, cocaïne and heroïn.

Nope, buying drugs in no way supports that. Banning drugs 100% supports it though. Banning drugs means there is no other way for people to get them. And let's be honest, the government has no right whatsoever to tell people what they can/can't do with their own body in the privacy of their own home! So if people want to take drugs they should have every right to do so! The government preventing them from being able to buy drugs that have been produced in a clean, safe way in a safe environment with information about the effects as well as information on where/how to seek help to get off drugs if people want to... yeah, 100% the governments fault!

There has to be limit though. You can't just allow heroin or meth to be sold legally on the street. I mean weed won't kill anyone, but there are plenty of drugs that will, and I see no reason drugs that are dealy should be on the streets.



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

barneystinson69 said:

There has to be limit though. You can't just allow heroin or meth to be sold legally on the street. I mean weed won't kill anyone, but there are plenty of drugs that will, and I see no reason drugs that are dealy should be on the streets.

Weed kills people indirectly.



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Ka-pi96 said:
barneystinson69 said:

There has to be limit though. You can't just allow heroin or meth to be sold legally on the street. I mean weed won't kill anyone, but there are plenty of drugs that will, and I see no reason drugs that are dealy should be on the streets.

Not on the street. But in properly licensed, regulated and taxed drug shops... why not?

Because these drugs (even in small and controlled doses) can kill people. Weed doesn't. Despite my conservative roots (no pun intended), I would rather see kids trying weed legally than trying something far worse, or going to a drug dealer and trying stuff that they don't where it came from, or if it was contaminated with other drugs.



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

Pemalite said:
barneystinson69 said:

There has to be limit though. You can't just allow heroin or meth to be sold legally on the street. I mean weed won't kill anyone, but there are plenty of drugs that will, and I see no reason drugs that are dealy should be on the streets.

Weed kills people indirectly.

How so? I mean if you are talking about driving, then you may as well ban alcohol as well. Obviously there will be laws in place so as to prevent this.



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

A country on drugs - how Khat is taking over a country.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wBE8nY-LlQ