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Mummelmann said:
Skeeuk said:

switch will be dropping a lot in coming months

Everything will drop, that's summer every year. PS4 did sub-160k average through June-July-August last year and dipped into 140k a couple of weeks as well, never rose above 180k for the whole summer.

Summer is slow, this is nothing new. But it should give Nintendo an opportunity to meet demand in the markets where it's still sold out much of the time (US and Japan have the biggest shortages by far).

And Splatoon 2 is launching on 21. July. :D



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PAOerfulone said:

1. Detroit - Just like how Horizon moved a bunch of units. Oh wait... And just like Horizon, it will be extremely frontloaded the first two weeks and then fall off a cliff afterwards.

2. God of War - It will sell PS4's but not to the amount of Switches that Mario will sell or maybe even Splatoon 2 for that matter. God of War 3 sold around 5 million on the PS3, wheras Splatoon 1, a new IP, sold close to that ON THE WII U. If a NEW IP sold that much on a system that flopped as badly as the Wii U did, imagine how it will do on a system that is actually selling great and has a strong fanbase and reputation behind it, ESPECIALLY in Japan, where handhelds reign supreme AND is Splatoon's biggest market. So, I wouldn't give that victory to God of War 4 just yet. Red Dead Redemption 2 is also available on Xbox One and PC.

3. Spider-Man - Is 'wait and see' depending on marketing and quality, so I agree with you there. As far as being the most popular superhero goes, that's another can of worms I don't want to step into, (though he's certainly MY favorite).

4. Elder Scrolls and GTA - Elder Scrolls, sure. GTA - I honestly think Rockstar is saving that one for PS5 and Xbox.... Two.... launch. They saw how much money they made with GTA V by launching it just before the new consoles on the old systems, and then releasing it year later. So, the sales will be huge upon launch, but then it cut off when the newer versions are announced.

4. Gran Turismo - Based on what Yamauchi says here: https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-sport-could-have-been-called-gt7-sport/ 
"For me, Gran Turismo Sport is Gran Turismo 7. Gran Turismo Sport is something that marks the beginning of a new generation or era. When you consider Gran Turismo 1-6 as the first era, GT Sport marks a new generation moving forward.” Sounds like Sport IS 7. 

5. FIFA, Star Wars, Call of Duty - All of those games sell around the same amount of copies every year. (Infinite Warfare is actually significantly down compared to Black Ops 3. FIFA 16 and 17 actually sold less overall than FIFA 15). And those games come out close to or around the holiday season, where EVERYTHING sells huge numbers. People who wanted the system for those games most likely have already got one and are just patiently waiting for the next one to come out. In FIFA's case, there may very well be a noticeable boost next year because of the World Cup, but after that, there's nomore hardware for FIFA to sell.

6. PS4 Pro - The New 3DS didn't exactly help the 3DS in the long run, the system has still been dropping year over year despite its launch. When the DSi launched in 2009, the DS was STILL down year over year, albeit slightly, compared to 2008, before it started dropping noticeably when the 3DS was announced. The same will exact thing will happen whenver the PS5 is revealed. And the PS4 was down last year compared to 2015 despite not 1, but 2, hardware revisions. Pro will take the PS4's place like you said and keep sales strong, but on the other hand, whose to say the Switch won't get a hardware revision itself. (It's all but guaranteed really).

1. How is it extremely frontloaded if it still sells 50K+ a week 6 weeks after it launched and is still the top selling game in Europe, besides what's stopping Horizon from selling way more than Splatoon. Since Horizon is  defenitly helping to hold the sales this high in Europe. Just because a game doesn't sell in the US it doesn't mean it doesn't sell at all. Uncharted 4 also sold way better in Europe before the holidays, but that turned around quickly during the holidays. Don't be surprised if the same thing happens for Horizon in combination with the PS4 pro and a pricecut this holiday. 

2. God of War has a way bigger and global appeal if Sony play their cards right. God of War will be much like Uncharted 4 when it comes to sales. it can be a huge game in Europe and in US. Besides when God of War is released the PS4 has a way bigger userbase than when God of War III released. Many PS4's don't sell on the day a big PS4 exclusive or game is released but on the promise that it is released. The system isn't in it's infant years anymore and has a base of 200K a week. Whether a game releases or not has little influence on the sales, except when it is an Uncharted, GTA V, RDR 2, Gran Turismo or The last of Us. 

4. I agree with both btw and I also predict TES will help moving plenty of PS consoles and it's longlivety to stay relevant. GT sport will help pushing a few 100k's of consoles extra in Europe. The first GT (except prologue's) on a PS console in general pushes hardware and sells around 10 million. 



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PAOerfulone said:
GOWTLOZ said:

Detroit is going to be huge and if you haven't heard of it then you really aren't in a position to say what games are going to be system sellers for PS4 as you don't even know some of its most hyped upcoming games.

God of War will sell systems. It always does. And this one looks to be an even bigger seller than the previous games.

Also you listed like five games on Switch and PS4 has the same number of system sellers with God of War, Red Dead Redemption 2, The Last of Us 2, Gran Turismo Sport and Spiderman. And then it has huge multiplatform games that will continue to sell systems like FIFA, Star Wars Battlefront and Call of Duty and you may say they have already come out on the system but they come out every year and still sell huge number of PS4's every year.

There are also unannounced games like GTA 6 and Elder Scrolls 6 that haven't had a new release this generation and will sell huge numbver of systems when the come out. There are also a lot of smaller AAA games that are announced and unnanounced that will sell systems and that is something Nintendo doesn't have.

And I'm sure The Last of Us 2 will sell more than Animal Crossing and Mario as the first one sold over 13 million units. God of War generally sells 4 to 6 million units which is more than Splatoon and this one will sell more than previous games. Spiderman could go anyway depending upon the quality and marketing but I'm sure it will have both. He is the most popular superhero and Batman Arkham games sell over 8 million units. This being an exclusive I can see it doing the smae numbers even though Spiderman is more popular. Gran Turismo Sport could go either way but Gran Turismo 7 will be the real system seller. I expect all of them to generally sell the same amount of software and hardware as the Nintendo games you mentioned except Pokemon. But PS4 also has advantage with its multiplatform games.

And PS4 Pro will take PS4's place next year as consumers want more powerful hardware that can run their PS4 games at a higher resolution on their 4K TV's and so its sales will continue to be good.

1. Detroit - Just like how Horizon moved a bunch of units. Oh wait... And just like Horizon, it will be extremely frontloaded the first two weeks and then fall off a cliff afterwards.

2. God of War - It will sell PS4's but not to the amount of Switches that Mario will sell or maybe even Splatoon 2 for that matter. God of War 3 sold around 5 million on the PS3, wheras Splatoon 1, a new IP, sold close to that ON THE WII U. If a NEW IP sold that much on a system that flopped as badly as the Wii U did, imagine how it will do on a system that is actually selling great and has a strong fanbase and reputation behind it, ESPECIALLY in Japan, where handhelds reign supreme AND is Splatoon's biggest market. So, I wouldn't give that victory to God of War 4 just yet. Red Dead Redemption 2 is also available on Xbox One and PC.

3. Spider-Man - Is 'wait and see' depending on marketing and quality, so I agree with you there. As far as being the most popular superhero goes, that's another can of worms I don't want to step into, (though he's certainly MY favorite).

4. Elder Scrolls and GTA - Elder Scrolls, sure. GTA - I honestly think Rockstar is saving that one for PS5 and Xbox.... Two.... launch. They saw how much money they made with GTA V by launching it just before the new consoles on the old systems, and then releasing it year later. So, the sales will be huge upon launch, but then it cut off when the newer versions are announced.

4. Gran Turismo - Based on what Yamauchi says here: https://www.gtplanet.net/gran-turismo-sport-could-have-been-called-gt7-sport/ 
"For me, Gran Turismo Sport is Gran Turismo 7. Gran Turismo Sport is something that marks the beginning of a new generation or era. When you consider Gran Turismo 1-6 as the first era, GT Sport marks a new generation moving forward.” Sounds like Sport IS 7. 

5. FIFA, Star Wars, Call of Duty - All of those games sell around the same amount of copies every year. (Infinite Warfare is actually significantly down compared to Black Ops 3. FIFA 16 and 17 actually sold less overall than FIFA 15). And those games come out close to or around the holiday season, where EVERYTHING sells huge numbers. People who wanted the system for those games most likely have already got one and are just patiently waiting for the next one to come out. In FIFA's case, there may very well be a noticeable boost next year because of the World Cup, but after that, there's nomore hardware for FIFA to sell.

6. PS4 Pro - The New 3DS didn't exactly help the 3DS in the long run, the system has still been dropping year over year despite its launch. When the DSi launched in 2009, the DS was STILL down year over year, albeit slightly, compared to 2008, before it started dropping noticeably when the 3DS was announced. The same will exact thing will happen whenver the PS5 is revealed. And the PS4 was down last year compared to 2015 despite not 1, but 2, hardware revisions. Pro will take the PS4's place like you said and keep sales strong, but on the other hand, whose to say the Switch won't get a hardware revision itself. (It's all but guaranteed really).

1. Horizon wasn't too front loaded. Sold 2.6 million in its first two weeks and another 800k in the next six weeks. that's an average of 200k per week. And recently its sales have spiked tremendously. Even if we take 200k average for the rest of 2017 Horizon will sell another 6.4 million units this year, but with the recent spike in sales and the spike in sales coming with holidays it could sell more. That will be 9.8 million units sold this year which is incredible. And that's not taking into account bundles.

Horizon is selling PS4's. Look at Amazon UK, Horizon is bought with PS4 more than with any game indicating that its selling systems. It definitely is selling systems in India. And could be doing the same in other parts of the world. It may have sold mostly to existing users at launch but the good word of mouth is bringing in new customers to PS4 so they can play Horizon.

Also Horizon is getting a new DLC this holiday and probably a GOTY edition next year which will increase sales further and at its current pace it already looks to sell 9.8 million units this year.

2. God of War on PS4 could be the most successful game in the series. This generation many Sony franchises have seen a growth in sales such as Infamous, Killzone and Uncharted and with the positive recption of God of War at E3 I think it will be one of those franchises.

There are many people that were interested in God of War before but were put off by Kratos and his rage induced murdering of everyone, that are interested in this one. Its not certain but I think it will sell more.

God of War 3 sold 5.2 million units on PS3 in two years and with its amazing legs I think its probably over 6 million on PS3 with a lot more sales on PS4, where its digital sales have been incredible. God of War will sell more if its even nearly as good.

3. Spiderman looks amazing from its E3 gameplay and if that's an indicator of the game's quality I'm sure it will sell well, probably more than any PS4 exclusive. It will benefit both from Spiderman's huge fanbase, his iconic status and people who just want a good Marvel game that is not a fighting game.

4. GTA VI will still sell systems when its released and it will be released on PS4. Elder Scrolls probably won't come this generation or maybe ever, they will keep porting Skyrim to PS5 and Xbox Two then Switch 2 haha.

5. Gran Turismo Sport can sell a lot if Sony actually markets the damn game. Not showing it in their conference was a shitty move.

6. FIFA and Call of Duty will still sell systems whenever they come out and WWII looks o be a bigger success than the last three Call of Duty games.

7. PS4 Pro will sell better next year as more people will have a 4K TV. Its sales depends on the adoption rate of 4K TV's which should increase next year and then people will want to play their PS4 games at a higher resolution.