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JRPGfan on 23 May 2017
WolfpackN64 said:
KLXVER said:

Never understood making a console game more demanding than the console its on...

The problem is that the Jaguar CPU cores are starting to become really dated. They're basically slightly souped up in comparison to Intel's Atom line...

I would say their more like the CPU you find in Ultra Books.

Those weak low powered CPUs from Intel.

Like a i5-5200u (the U part is the important part, means its one of those weak lower power cores).

Dispite how much crap people give these Jaguar CPU cores from AMD used in the consoles, their probably better than any Atom CPU was.



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Dr.Vita on 23 May 2017

Tbh I think this is only marketing for their game.




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Normchacho on 23 May 2017
vivster said:
Normchacho said:
Well duh, framerate is largely CPU limited and the Pro only had a modest CPU bump.

It's only CPU limited when your CPU is a potato. Regular gaming PCs with non-vegetable based CPUs are basically never CPU limited.

I pretty clearly meant that framerate is largely decided by the capabilities of the CPU. That's regardless of how powerful the CPU really, unless the system is poorly balanced.



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Miyamotoo on 23 May 2017

Pro is underpowered, everyone who wants power needed to move on PC. :D



Random_Matt on 23 May 2017

Consoles always have shitty CPU's, perhaps the Cell aside.
Hope PS5 does not go with an APU.



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JRPGfan on 23 May 2017
Normchacho said:
vivster said:

It's only CPU limited when your CPU is a potato. Regular gaming PCs with non-vegetable based CPUs are basically never CPU limited.

I pretty clearly meant that framerate is largely decided by the capabilities of the CPU. That's regardless of how powerful the CPU really, unless the system is poorly balanced.

Alot of it is also resource management, and how good you are about offloading things to the gpu.

Optimisation mean more than the CPU imo.

The weaker the cpu, the more you need to juggle resource management, and weigh the cost of doign certain effects ect.



JRPGfan on 23 May 2017
Random_Matt said:
Consoles always have shitty CPU's, perhaps the Cell aside.
Hope PS5 does not go with an APU.

I hope it does (BC for PS5).

Its cheap, and gives good bang-4-buck.

Which is pretty damn important in consoles.

Its also energy effecient to do so.

Dont you mean you "hope PS4 has a much improved CPU"? Which you can still easily have in a newer APU.



vivster on 23 May 2017
Normchacho said:
vivster said:

It's only CPU limited when your CPU is a potato. Regular gaming PCs with non-vegetable based CPUs are basically never CPU limited.

I pretty clearly meant that framerate is largely decided by the capabilities of the CPU. That's regardless of how powerful the CPU really, unless the system is poorly balanced.

And that's even more wrong.

In 99% of gaming scenarios the GPU is the bottleneck. That's not the case for the PS4 Pro of course because GPU/CPU ratio is extremely unbalanced. But in gaming setups build by people with brains the CPU will never be a bottleneck.

I play RL @ 144fps 1440p. My CPU doesn't have a high clock and is still quite bored by it.



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WolfpackN64 on 23 May 2017
JRPGfan said:
WolfpackN64 said:

The problem is that the Jaguar CPU cores are starting to become really dated. They're basically slightly souped up in comparison to Intel's Atom line...

I would say their more like the CPU you find in Ultra Books.

Those weak low powered CPUs from Intel.

Like a i5-5200u (the U part is the important part, means its one of those weak lower power cores).

Dispite how much crap people give these Jaguar CPU cores from AMD used in the consoles, their probably better than any Atom CPU was.

The Core chips from Intel have a MUCH higher IPC. The Jaguar was certainly more performant then the Atom CPU's of yore, but the current Goldmont Atoms will be more performant.



Kerotan on 23 May 2017
Miyamotoo said:
Pro is underpowered, everyone who wants power needed to move on PC. :D

If you want power for $299 this holiday the Pro is your best bet.  Not everyone who wants power wants to pay extra for a pc.  And ps4 has many exclusives pc doesn't so there's that too. 

 

OT: 

This is obvious.  Destiny 2 is obviously pushing boundaries and they need to keep it at 30fps to do so. The Pro is a decent upgrade not a $500/$600 console upgrade.  It's to be expected.