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is Zelda BOTW GOTY?

Yes 350 69.86%
 
No 126 25.15%
 
Super Mario Odyssey is GOTY 25 4.99%
 
Total:501

Zelda!



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mZuzek said:
StarOcean said:

That's how I feel too XD The magic of Zelda really feels dead in BotW. I can't explain it either. One of the biggest changes I hate is the music. Atmospheric music is the big trend for games right now and all it does is force the composer to make generic music thats easily drowned out. There's no energy to it, it's limp

I imagine that was the kind of stuff people said about non-silent movies 80 years ago.

Mmm I don't know about that one, buddy. There's a significant difference between going from silent to sound vs music direction changing. Pretty flaccid comparison. You could easily make a more erect one that just cums all over my face but you picked the most flaccid comparison you could find



StarOcean said:
mZuzek said:

I imagine that was the kind of stuff people said about non-silent movies 80 years ago.

Mmm I don't know about that one, buddy. There's a significant difference between going from silent to sound vs music direction changing. Pretty flaccid comparison. You could easily make a more erect one that just cums all over my face but you picked the most flaccid comparison you could find

Not even gonna try arguing here, I really did.



Nuvendil said:
contestgamer said:

You should hit 10 million if youre mass market. A lot of games do nowadays. Square doesnt even smile when their games hit 5-6 million, they call them flops basically.

Dude...wat are you on about? 

First, 4 million is not an indie number.  That's a massive runaway success for an indie.  The overwhelming majority of indie games can only dream of hitting 1 million sales.  95% of indies would KILL to sell 4 mil.  Shoot they would kill to sell ONE million. 

Second, Skyward Sword failed to reach 4 million due to 1) launching at the tail end of the Wii's lifecycle, 2) launching AFTER the successor system was announced, and 3) having its production cutoff far earlier than a typical Zelda game would have.  That last bit made it quite literally impossible for the game to reach its full sales potential. 

Third, just for the record, Twilight Princess sold nearly 9 million.  Just fyi

Fourth, all those games you mentioned are *multiplatform*, Zelda is exclusive.  Only a small handful of exclusive IP have ever been capable of 10 million once, much less consistently.  Only one Halo sold over 10 million.  No Uncharted game has yet to sell 10 million (in fact, no Naughty Dog game has, iirc).  Are those niche franchises? 

Fifth, 10 million being the standard for mainstream is absurd.  Consistently selling over 4 million and often selling significantly more is not "niche".  And as for your SE example, that has nothing to do with mainstream vs niche, that has to do with budget vs revenue. Square Enix is notorious for their overspending and extravagant budgets, that's why they NEED their games to sell as many as they do.  Have a high enough budget and even 10 million won't do you any good. 

In short, Zelda is not niche, you don't seem to understand the meaning of the term, stop trying to sell it cause the argument isn't going to fly.  Because the argument is nonsense.

 

Whether its multi platform or not is irrelevant to the discussion of whether it is niche or not. Multi platform games obviously have a much better chance of becoming mainstream since they reach a broader audience.   Zelda cant reach a multi platform audience so it is at a disadvantage, but we dont measure mainstream or niche by the size of the platform, we measure it by the size of the market. Zelda is niche by that measure. You cant be mass market selling 4-7 million units when GTA 5 sells 80, mario kart 7 30 and even Witcher 3 selling 10+ when it's an almost identical game. Uncharted is niche - it's a great franchise, but it gets crushed by real mainstream franchises like COD and GTA in terms of sales. again, its disadvantaged by being on one platform but that' the way it is. You need to hit about 10 million to be mainstream now.



curl-6 said:
contestgamer said:

Zelda is my second favorite franchise after MGS.

Saying that any series that hasn't passed 10 million in a single entry is "niche" is ridiculous, 99+% of franchises never cross that mark.

Even if we exclude remasters/ports, Zelda has already passed the 7 million mark twice, and Breath of the Wild is going to pass 10 million anyway, it's over a third of the way there as of its first month.

If BOTW passes 10 million then it will no longer be niche - I doubt it will pass 10 million, I expect around 7-8 million. But if it does pass 10 we'll call it mainstream. Until it does though its conjecture. 



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contestgamer said:
curl-6 said:

Saying that any series that hasn't passed 10 million in a single entry is "niche" is ridiculous, 99+% of franchises never cross that mark.

Even if we exclude remasters/ports, Zelda has already passed the 7 million mark twice, and Breath of the Wild is going to pass 10 million anyway, it's over a third of the way there as of its first month.

If BOTW passes 10 million then it will no longer be niche - I doubt it will pass 10 million, I expect around 7-8 million. But if it does pass 10 we'll call it mainstream. Until it does though its conjecture. 

You're right.

Zelda isn't mainstream, and it never was.

I mean, just go outside and ask people on the streets if they ever heard of something called Zelda. I'm pretty sure not even 1% will answer, and probably most of those who do will be talking about Robin Williams' daughter.



mZuzek said:
contestgamer said:

If BOTW passes 10 million then it will no longer be niche - I doubt it will pass 10 million, I expect around 7-8 million. But if it does pass 10 we'll call it mainstream. Until it does though its conjecture. 

You're right.

Zelda isn't mainstream, and it never was.

I mean, just go outside and ask people on the streets if they ever heard of something called Zelda. I'm pretty sure not even 1% will answer, and probably most of those who do will be talking about Robin Williams' daughter.

Exactly. Ask your average joe what Zelda was and I bet more than not wont know.



Kyuu said:
Cloudman said:
It's def possible, but there is still Horizon, Persona 5, and perhaps even Mario has a chance. It just means one less competitor, haha.

I can't think of any title besides RDR, GTA, TloU and Mario that could stand a chance at The Game Awards. Persona is niche and Horizon is a new IP from a meh developer.

 

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mZuzek said:
contestgamer said:

If BOTW passes 10 million then it will no longer be niche - I doubt it will pass 10 million, I expect around 7-8 million. But if it does pass 10 we'll call it mainstream. Until it does though its conjecture. 

You're right.

Zelda isn't mainstream, and it never was.

I mean, just go outside and ask people on the streets if they ever heard of something called Zelda. I'm pretty sure not even 1% will answer, and probably most of those who do will be talking about Robin Williams' daughter.

Go outside and ask people in the streets what Forza, Gran Turismo, Fallout, or The Witcher is and they'll have no clue. Unless it's Mario, PacMan or Candy Crush they'll likely have no clue, but do we call any of these games niche?

The mass majority of these people on the streets we're talking about's only gaming device is likely to be their smartphone. Even if they did know the franchise they'd likely never buy or play it to begin with, because they're not gamers. There are over 7 billion people in this world and under 200 million units 8th gen hardware sold, there will be a considerate number of people on the streets who've never even heard of either the PS4, Xbox One, WiiU, 3DS, PS Vita or Switch.