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WolfpackN64 said:
outlawauron said:

Well, they're selling them things in exchange for money. I guess funding can refer to goods, but they're not being given away.

Do you really think these weapons stay in Saudi hands? FN (our Belgian national weapons company) sold firearms to the Saudi's. After a few months, reports started coming in that Al Nusra had aquired weapons from a recent shipment. It's quite clear the US keeps the Saudi regima afloat (as do many other countries), the Saudi's happily resell these weapons to terrorists.

The Saudis are kept in power to ensure that Iran doesn't take over the region. It's a balance. Obama sided more with Iran, whereas Trump sides more with Saudi Arabia. I do think that some of the equipment will either be "stolen or lost" and wind up in the hands of bad people. That's the nature of doing business in these regions though.



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outlawauron said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Do you really think these weapons stay in Saudi hands? FN (our Belgian national weapons company) sold firearms to the Saudi's. After a few months, reports started coming in that Al Nusra had aquired weapons from a recent shipment. It's quite clear the US keeps the Saudi regima afloat (as do many other countries), the Saudi's happily resell these weapons to terrorists.

The Saudis are kept in power to ensure that Iran doesn't take over the region. It's a balance. Obama sided more with Iran, whereas Trump sides more with Saudi Arabia. I do think that some of the equipment will either be "stolen or lost" and wind up in the hands of bad people. That's the nature of doing business in these regions though.

Balance? don't you think the region can balance itself? It's a power play, clear and simple. Obama sought more cooperation with Iran because the economic blockade is pointless, and Obama still maintained good relations with the Saudi's. "Stolen or lost"? In Saudi Arabia? You know they can chop your head of for small transgressions right? The Saudi government is directly involved with many of these terrorist groups.



WolfpackN64 said:
outlawauron said:

The Saudis are kept in power to ensure that Iran doesn't take over the region. It's a balance. Obama sided more with Iran, whereas Trump sides more with Saudi Arabia. I do think that some of the equipment will either be "stolen or lost" and wind up in the hands of bad people. That's the nature of doing business in these regions though.

Balance? don't you think the region can balance itself? It's a power play, clear and simple. Obama sought more cooperation with Iran because the economic blockade is pointless, and Obama still maintained good relations with the Saudi's. "Stolen or lost"? In Saudi Arabia? You know they can chop your head of for small transgressions right? The Saudi government is directly involved with many of these terrorist groups.

Directly, maybe. Not involved officially. Hence why I used "stolen or lost", meaning that someone in the chain got paid off for the goods.



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outlawauron said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Balance? don't you think the region can balance itself? It's a power play, clear and simple. Obama sought more cooperation with Iran because the economic blockade is pointless, and Obama still maintained good relations with the Saudi's. "Stolen or lost"? In Saudi Arabia? You know they can chop your head of for small transgressions right? The Saudi government is directly involved with many of these terrorist groups.

Directly, maybe. Not involved officially. Hence why I used "stolen or lost", meaning that someone in the chain got paid off for the goods.

Are you seriously giving the Saudi government the benifit of the doubt?



WolfpackN64 said:
outlawauron said:

Directly, maybe. Not involved officially. Hence why I used "stolen or lost", meaning that someone in the chain got paid off for the goods.

Are you seriously giving the Saudi government the benifit of the doubt?

lol. Of course not. They're very corrupt. That's the case with governments in MEA. That's why I said it's the nature of doing business in those regions.



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JRPGfan said:
Locknuts said:
Yeah this was pretty sad to see. He has done so many 180s since going into office I think he's drowning in the swamp.

Or hes just dishonest? and those things he said in the past, where just said to attack others on their politics?

Yep that seems more likely.

I think he really believed he could do what he said he was going to. The change was so sudden that I think he is now just a puppet, either under duress or out of greed or the corrupting influence of power. I don't know but those who voted for him aren't going to get anything different that they have had for the last 20 years. More foreign aggression, continued borrowing from faceless international bankers at the expense of the next generation, an increasingly large gap between the rich and poor.

It's just disappointing and I'm not even American.



Locknuts said:
JRPGfan said:

Or hes just dishonest? and those things he said in the past, where just said to attack others on their politics?

Yep that seems more likely.

I think he really believed he could do what he said he was going to. The change was so sudden that I think he is now just a puppet, either under duress or out of greed or the corrupting influence of power. I don't know but those who voted for him aren't going to get anything different that they have had for the last 20 years. More foreign aggression, continued borrowing from faceless international bankers at the expense of the next generation, an increasingly large gap between the rich and poor.

It's just disappointing and I'm not even American.

The idea that a billionaire reality TV actor was going to destroy a system that quite frankly benefits him and his family to tremendous wealth was always inherintely foolish. 



Soundwave said:
Locknuts said:

I think he really believed he could do what he said he was going to. The change was so sudden that I think he is now just a puppet, either under duress or out of greed or the corrupting influence of power. I don't know but those who voted for him aren't going to get anything different that they have had for the last 20 years. More foreign aggression, continued borrowing from faceless international bankers at the expense of the next generation, an increasingly large gap between the rich and poor.

It's just disappointing and I'm not even American.

The idea that a billionaire reality TV actor was going to destroy a system that quite frankly benefits him and his family to tremendous wealth was always inherintely foolish. 

Sometimes hope is foolish.



Locknuts said:
Soundwave said:

The idea that a billionaire reality TV actor was going to destroy a system that quite frankly benefits him and his family to tremendous wealth was always inherintely foolish. 

Sometimes hope is foolish.

I don't think it was foolish of us to expect things to turn out differently. Trump was ridiculed and laughed at by everyone, including me, from the very beginnings of his campaign, but he stood his ground. He adopted, what seemed to most at that time at least, extremely unpopular positions on internal and foreign policy, he spoke the unthinkable about making friends with Russia, he called out Islam for what it is. He didn't need brexit to be emboldened either, he happened before brexit. No one expected him to win, including him. The amount of scrutiny he received way before he established his fanbase was enough of an excuse to pull out or make him change his stance on major issues like immigration and Islam. He didn't. 

I think we should look at brexit and Trump differently. Let's take a step back and admit that neither are inheretly good or bad. Capatilizing on the momentum is important, doing more to improve your living conditions is important. You can't just elect a president and call it a day. I never understood why Trump supporters were overjoyed by the fact that republicans hold the senate and the house. You mean to tell me these corporates shills are a good thing to have on your side? Ok then.. Enjoy watching them capitilize on the momentum you started.

 



LurkerJ said:
Locknuts said:

Sometimes hope is foolish.

I don't think it was foolish of us to expect things to turn out differently. Trump was ridiculed and laughed at by everyone, including me, from the very beginnings of his campaign, but he stood his ground. He adopted, what seemed to most at that time at least, extremely unpopular positions on internal and foreign policy, he spoke the unthinkable about making friends with Russia, he called out Islam for what it is. He didn't need brexit to be emboldened either, he happened before brexit. No one expected him to win, including him. The amount of scrutiny he received way before he established his fanbase was enough of an excuse to pull out or make him change his stance on major issues like immigration and Islam. He didn't. 

I think we should look at brexit and Trump differently. Let's take a step back and admit that neither are inheretly good or bad. Capatilizing on the momentum is important, doing more to improve your living conditions is important. You can't just elect a president and call it a day. I never understood why Trump supporters were overjoyed by the fact that republicans hold the senate and the house. You mean to tell me these corporates shills are a good thing to have on your side? Ok then.. Enjoy watching them capitilize on the momentum you started.

 

You may be right. I do believe that whatever is causing Trump to back down so much is coming from within his own party.