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Salnax said:
You think that's a big deal? Did you know that Trump got TWO scoops of ice cream?!?!?

That's right. He's flaunting his white male privilege. He's like so racist. I can't he would do such a thing. Maybe the number 2 is like a secret code for white power.



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What's with conservatives' obsession at dividing liberals/progressives with Bernie topic?
1. You wouldn't have voted for him.
2. You hate SJWs more than foreign interference in our political process.
3. He's a socialist and backs Universal Healthcare. You'd rather let corporations run the show and decide who dies or get bankrupt by medical bills.



I think Bernie will get party backing next time (if he's still kicking). He played ball and waited his turn -- just as Hilary did. If Bernie has the full backing of the DNC, I don't think there'll be any stopping him. He is, by far, the most popular political figure in America at the moment.



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Goatseye said:
What's with conservatives' obsession at dividing liberals/progressives with Bernie topic?
1. You wouldn't have voted for him.
2. You hate SJWs more than foreign interference in our political process.
3. He's a socialist and backs Universal Healthcare. You'd rather let corporations run the show and decide who dies or get bankrupt by medical bills.

You answered your own question.



vivster said:

The media in a democracy is basically the only power the people have.

Stop it, I'm laughing my ass off! You're too funny!

vivster said:

Don't forget, the majority did not vote for him and the majority does not approve of him. Trying to remove a man who got to power by a minority is the most democratic thing you can do.

Great idea. Maybe except for the fact that there has probably never ever been a POTUS who was actually voted for by the majority of the whole population. And the same applies to almost every democratically voted government around the world in history.

One of the few exceptions might actually be the "democratically" voted government of the "german democratic republic" ("east germany"), where voter turnout was indeed very high, yet people could basically only vote for a single party. The bad news is: If that's your kind of democracy, you're about 30 years late.



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Hiku said:

The DNC should not take advantage of the resources given to Berneie by voters who want to support real progressives. Not corporate democrats.

DarthMetalliCube said:
Shhhh.. We're supposed to be talking about a conspiracy theory with absolutely no evidence about how Russia somehow influenced the US election to help Trump win, not this fancy pants "evidence" about the DNC colluding against its own candidates and undermining American democracy and shutting out the only true liberal in the election!

It's not "a conspiracy theory with absolutely no evidence" that Russia influenced the election.
A CIA, NSA and FBI investigation concluded that Russia did influence the election, and that they did so in order to help Trum win.

Here's a link to the official document on the official site of the DNI, of the joint CIA/FBI/NSA's report in which they unanimously agree that the Russians hacked the DNC in the recent election and that they did it in order to elect the man who won, President Trump. https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

You say that as if we should trust the CIA/FBI/NSA. They are all liars as well and propaganda machines for USA. The CIA especially. If it is to damage Russia's image in any way, the organizations will lie their asses off. Russia is the boogeyman for USA anything bad happens blame Russia because you yourself are so pure it can't possibly your fault. Hell even if Russia hacked DNC leaked emails did whatever at the end of the day Americans voted for Drumpf. It wasn't Comet's fault nor was it Russia's. It was America's fault. Unless someone comes in and disrupts is actual voting mechanism to create false votes for the man they need to win, it is and will always be the nation as a whole that voted the guy in and its their fault 100%



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ArnoldRimmer said:
vivster said:

The media in a democracy is basically the only power the people have.

Stop it, I'm laughing my ass off! You're too funny!

vivster said:

Don't forget, the majority did not vote for him and the majority does not approve of him. Trying to remove a man who got to power by a minority is the most democratic thing you can do.

Great idea. Maybe except for the fact that there has probably never ever been a POTUS who was actually voted for by the majority of the whole population. And the same applies to almost every democratically voted government around the world in history.

One of the few exceptions might actually be the "democratically" voted government of the "german democratic republic" ("east germany"), where voter turnout was indeed very high, yet people could basically only vote for a single party. The bad news is: If that's your kind of democracy, you're about 30 years late.

What about Australia where voting is mandatory



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Eagle367 said:
ArnoldRimmer said:

Stop it, I'm laughing my ass off! You're too funny!

Great idea. Maybe except for the fact that there has probably never ever been a POTUS who was actually voted for by the majority of the whole population. And the same applies to almost every democratically voted government around the world in history.

One of the few exceptions might actually be the "democratically" voted government of the "german democratic republic" ("east germany"), where voter turnout was indeed very high, yet people could basically only vote for a single party. The bad news is: If that's your kind of democracy, you're about 30 years late.

What about Australia where voting is mandatory

Not sure if that's a great idea either since most of the time people don't want to bother reading what a party stands for. If you would force voting upon people you can expect a enormous rise of populism and lies during the campaign and a rise of single issue parties. 



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Qwark said:
Eagle367 said:

What about Australia where voting is mandatory

Not sure if that's a great idea either since most of the time people don't want to bother reading what a party stands for. If you would force voting upon people you can expect a enormous rise of populism and lies during the campaign and a rise of single issue parties. 

On the other hand, when voting is no longer compulsory, you get politicians trying to supress the vote. At least with mandatory voting, if they lost, then there's no denial that they were either not wanted, or they did not convey their message across. There's no talk about elections being held on work days, or polls queueing up for hours, or poor people being asked for the equivalent of a driver's license that they might not have.



fordy said:
Qwark said:

Not sure if that's a great idea either since most of the time people don't want to bother reading what a party stands for. If you would force voting upon people you can expect a enormous rise of populism and lies during the campaign and a rise of single issue parties. 

On the other hand, when voting is no longer compulsory, you get politicians trying to supress the vote. At least with mandatory voting, if they lost, then there's no denial that they were either not wanted, or they did not convey their message across. There's no talk about elections being held on work days, or polls queueing up for hours, or poor people being asked for the equivalent of a driver's license that they might not have.

Well neither system is perfect, but I would fear thart if such a system is implemented in The Netherlands you get single issue parties like the anti environmental party which doesn't want to do anything with sustainability. (You would be surprised how many old people and politicians can't stand windturbines over here). And while I could see a system like this could work on a national scale on local scale it would become a votefest for local parties which all say that every progression made in The Netherlands with downsides like a new road, integration, windturbines, fields of solar panels (not always a great idea to begin with, but that's my opinion), waste water plant or whatsoever should be put in or nearby the neighboors village.   



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