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BraLoD said:
Goodnightmoon said:

There's you and there's me but that review is on the same side as me in the opinion that is better suited for hanheld gaming and so he rated it better for that and the new content. 

What that review or any other is saying is irrelevant, I'm not refuting any score based on that, but what you said (though there are other and even better examples as portability didn't ever play a major role in review scores for the series, it's not the point).
You said it's clearly better suited for handhelds, you didn't say it's how you would like it better to play, you said it's CLEARLY better.
At the other end of this rope I disagree and as part of the game community I'm saying it's not clearly better, it's a prefference.

Yeah because for me is clearly better suited for hanhelds, I don't see that just as a preference but you think the contrary and I'm ok with that, but that guy thinks like me in that regard.



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BraLoD said:

1. It's not better suited for handhelds, as a fan of the series I enjoy playing it for long sessions than Switch battery can even last, thus making portability actually an issue to me, maybe it's your preference, but it's not better suited for handhelds and case closed, at all.

2. The content is not meaningful to either the actual story or the game mechanics, check the last examples, Disgaea 3 and 4 on PSV had story, mechanics and actual new chars created for it, and was portable as well, plus all the additional content too, still score about the same as PS3 versions. Disgaea 3 exactly the same, Disgaea 4 went 2 points higher.

3. As I mentioned above the review from god if a geek boosted from 75 to 90, where it was quoted for having a "so-so narrative" as the "only issue" and it didn't change at all for the Switch version, is the exactly same game.

There are lots of inconsistencies going on.

1. I agree, but the great thing about the Switch is that you can play it both ways. 

2 and 3. Reviewers aren't logical. They will score a game a 7 because opening a menu pauses the game. Or because it has too much water.



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I prefer Disgaea on home console too.
Because i generally play the game for hours before stopping. Impossible to do on a handheld console without the battery out of power 2/3 times.



BraLoD said:
Goodnightmoon said:

YOU have 8 hours sessions with this game but most humans don't, at all. I have Disgaea on PSP and I don't think I have ever played for more than 2 hours ever, the battles are short which makes it suited for hanheld gaming, even the graphics makes way more sense on a hanheld than on the most powerful homeconsole in the market.

That's exactly what I'm poiting, there is you and there is me.
If you read what I wrote, I'm saying my way of playing it doesn't mean it's the way to be played, and I'm saying the opposite is exact the same, your or other people way also don't exclude mine and make it clearly better suited for handhelds.

As someone who have been going through the entire series as a dedicated player since the beginning I refuse to let someone say it's better suited for handhelds when it's not the case for me, or other people I know as well that have been playing it that way as the core of its community as well.

The part about the graphics... yeah, no, it not being an AAA game doesn't mean it's less suited for consoles, at all.

That is a point that could explain reviews.

Lets say you and Goodnight both review the PS4 version of the game.

He gives it an 8 cause he wishes it was portable. You give it a 9, cause you love it.

Now a PSV version comes out, same game.

He gives it a 9 cause its portable and he likes it more now. You give it an 8, cause you prefer it on the big TV, battery life, ect. Whatever your reasoning.

 

Now the game is on the switch. You are both happy. You both give it a 9.

Thus on Metacritic, it is now rated a 9 instead of an 8.5   Same game, but manages to please both types of people.



BraLoD said:
Goodnightmoon said:

I'm sorry but nope, this kind of games are clearly better for hanheld gaming, that guy from Geek starts the review with the same opinion

 "They felt so perfect on the Vita given their SRPG nature with quick battles that I was actually disappointed when Disgaea 5 was announced as a PlayStation 4 exclusive title"

Disgaea also had better scores on Vita despite being released 3 years later, this one is portable and with more content just one year after its ps4 release. In fact you can find similar examples with Disgaea 4 (Eurogamer Spain gives an 80 to Ps3 version and a 90 to Vita...)

But most important, Switch has 8 times less reviews... I'm afraid you are seeing what you want to see.

I'm not seeing what I want to see, I'm seeing what is happening.
The amount of reviews was actually the first point I even mentioned here when making my answer to the thread.

And no, it's not clearly better for handheld gaming, I've been playing Disgaea since the beginning on the PS2, I've played every single one of them, plus other similar NIS games, and I'm used on having sessions that last over 8 hours on it regularly, that's how I like to play this series, and the amount of spent hours the series average from players points to the same, people play it A LOT, check the forums out there.
It might suit better other people, but it's not clearly better suited for it, I'm part of the core community of this game since the beginning and I'm not found of it, it also doesn't mean it's clearly better suited for consoles, but it means the game can and is since the beginning enjoyed on really long sessions by its fans which is a handheld major downside, so there is nothing clear there, there are prefferences.


About Disgaea 4, as I said, those Vita versions have actual new features compared to the original version, not the only the game DLCs (which they also have), but new characters, stories and even gameplay mechanics.

I enjoy playing the Legend of Zelda games on TV for long sessions, same as you do with Disgaea.  However, the fact that the Switch allows me to play it anywhere I want is the single driving factor for my having been able to put over 120 hours into Breath of the Wild already.  If I couldn't take my Switch out of the house with me, I doubt that I'd be anywhere near as far in the game as I am currently (over 70 shrines, 2 divine beasts, over 100 korok seeds).  Others have beaten the game already mind you, I'm just talking about my own personal pace.  So for myself, and I'm sure many other people who are enjoying the Switch's versatility, yes this would make a game even more enjoyable over a console only or portable only counterpart. 



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ktay95 said:
estebxx said:
So the extra stuff equals 8 more points? well then... good i bought all that extra DLC for 15 on a PSN Flash sale months ago, (also got the game for 29.99 on the same sale, good stuff).

And portability.

Well i dont know if thats part of the reason but in my case (and especially with this game) i never cared about portability, in fact playing outside only takes away from my enjoyment... the sounds of people talking in the backgrounds, the sound of cars passing by, the light of the sun reflecting or obscuring the screen, so many things that distract me, nothing like playing at home with no one and nothing to distract me and take away from my experience.

Also Disgaea is the type of game you play for overly long sessions of multiple hours, i wouldnt like being limited by the battery life of the thing and besides when i ever used any portable devices it was for small breaks and stuff like that (during work, College, School etc. and never in any of those did i had the time to play something like Disagea, which is better played if you have a giant amounts of time to invest in it in every session).



BraLoD said:
Goodnightmoon said:

The game is 10 times better suited for handheld gaming and has more content than the original, case closed.

1. It's not better suited for handhelds, as a fan of the series I enjoy playing it for long sessions than Switch battery can even last, thus making portability actually an issue to me, maybe it's your preference, but it's not better suited for handhelds and case closed, at all.

2. The content is not meaningful to either the actual story or the game mechanics, check the last examples, Disgaea 3 and 4 on PSV had story, mechanics and actual new chars created for it, and was portable as well, plus all the additional content too, still score about the same as PS3 versions. Disgaea 3 exactly the same, Disgaea 4 went 2 points higher.

3. As I mentioned above the review from god if a geek boosted from 75 to 90, where it was quoted for having a "so-so narrative" as the "only issue" and it didn't change at all for the Switch version, is the exactly same game.

There are lots of inconsistencies going on.

I don't think this game is demanding as Zelda so the battery is gonna be closer to the 6 and half hour side (heard people saying 5), even then you can always dock it if it gets too low and continue to play on the big screen if thats what you want or just play in portable mode with the charger plugged in.



BraLoD said:
Disgaea is quite a peculiar series on how it extends its play time.
For example, I like playing it for ridiculously long sessions because I have a lot of stuff to do in succession to achieve part of what I want, if you want to be able to face the strongest foes in the game, you'll have do a lot, a whole damn lot of planning, on how to upgrade your chars in several different ways to be able to do it, I'll gve you a example on how to max a char:

I want to max out a char, it'll take around 40 hours of investing just on that if I want to do it (if you know well what you are doing), so when I'm going for this I go for multiple chars at once to not have to redo some procress, which increases that time, though not 40+40+40, and that's why it's better to do it that way.

First you'll want to train you char enough to be even able to going on trying to max it, you'll have to pass bills to strenghten foes so beating them give you more experience and mana, and go learning and training you best skills at the same time, if it's a main character you might want to throw some reincarnations to help the end result be better but if it's a generic class you'll have to do it anyway to ascend to higher tiers and boost your base multipliers.

Once you have got on doing it enough, which will already take a good amount of hours, then you should go item hunting, until you can find a legendary copy of the best findable item and steal it for you (or be lucky with chests), which will be hard even after you trained as your gear is so much inferior to it your levels don't mind much and if you miss those steals you may end up dying, so you'll want to do some lesser tiers before aiming for the last tier to be able to avoid that, that will also take a lot of time.

Once you are able to get one of them, you'll probably want to have another decent items as well (which you should have done before aiming for it as I just said), because you'll have to level up that item and that means you can't use it in the process and that the foes inside its world are very strong as well.
You'll have to go thorugh the entire world of that item, beat the item god (which is REALLY strong) and steal the last tier item from the item god 2 after doing it, every item world consist of 100 levels, by the way.

Once you are able to steal that, you can now actually start trying to make it strong, 'cause yeah, even the base best tier item will mean nothing for your quest on beating the strongest foe(s), but you won't just have to level that item up as you did with the best findable item, you'll have to farm their own stats you want to boost, kind by kind, step by step, those are the residents, and now your quest to find the ones you want and start boosting their number or duplicating them will also be really time consuming, really, really time consuming, so here you'll want to boost all kinds of residents for all the items you'll want to max, which you'll have to have planned for before or do it now.

Once you are finally able to house all of them, which is probably the most time consuming part of the whole process, you can start going through that item world, leveling it up, but now being careful, because you'll have to make sure you get the bonus to overlevel it, as you can actually go way beyond level 100 with the items, even though they only have 100 levels.
This will actually be one of the quickest parts, as you are likely already pretty strong to deal with anything there, just being careful on what you do to take the most of that item. (oh, and I didn't mention that you'll likely want to level up the rest of your chars before doing that now, because it's a long process, unless you have the right residents to do it, that is, and you should have planned for it).

Once you have done it congrats! You have done it for one item for one char, each char can hold 4 different items and you can place a dozen on battles, and that's why doing all together is the best route to go.

Then if you really want the max stats you'll go trought reincanations now to boost it bit by bit on the chara world.

Now, the sheer planning and sequence of events you'll want to do that will take a lot of time and doing it bit by bit will just mess you up, so doing huge chunks of it, aka by several hours straight, makes it easier to keep right in the track.

But I end up following the pattern of playing for several hours on the main game anyway, you get used to it, Disgaea 5 wasn't letting me even sleep, lol.

That sounds very involved and makes me all the more sure that if I couldn't take the Switch out of the house with me, I'd never be able to put a significant enough dent in it.  Besides 1/2 hour lunch and 1 hour park sessions; I spend a lot of time visiting my parents on the weekends.  The Switch dock is very easy for me to pack up and take over there with me (and soon I'll have the option of just buying a spare dock and leaving it there permanently).  I wasn't ever doing that with a console.  In that regard, the Switch is far more convenient for me to put time into.



Inflated scores for Switch games confirmed? I mean, even with less reviews, and additional content, +8 points for the same game, that runs and looks better on the PS4? This may be the largest discrepancy between review scores of the game for different platforms. 



estebxx said:
ktay95 said:

And portability.

Well i dont know if thats part of the reason but in my case (and especially with this game) i never cared about portability, in fact playing outside only takes away from my enjoyment... the sounds of people talking in the backgrounds, the sound of cars passing by, the light of the sun reflecting or obscuring the screen, so many things that distract me, nothing like playing at home with no one and nothing to distract me and take away from my experience.

Also Disgaea is the type of game you play for overly long sessions of multiple hours, i wouldnt like being limited by the battery life of the thing and besides when i ever used any portable devices it was for small breaks and stuff like that (during work, College, School etc. and never in any of those did i had the time to play something like Disagea, which is better played if you have a giant amounts of time to invest in it in every session).

1st paragraph: I'm totally like you. I prefer to play games at home for the exact same reasons, especially on the main campaign of games where I want full attention.

2nd paragraph: I disagree. I think Disgaea is very versatile. For example: if you're playing the main campaign, you're probably gonna want to play many hours straight and have full attention, but if you're grinding through the Item World for the 298109223928390th time, you probably just do it mechanically. So doing that type of things while on the go is the perfect opportunity. And since this version is both home and portable, there is no denying it is the definitive/best one. Even if you only play at home 100% of the time, this version still offers an extra (and convenient for most people) option.



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