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Miyamotoo said:
JRPGfan said:

There is.... their competition is selling a home console too, thats like 5 times as powerfull for 100$ less bundled with a great game.

I think it effects sales, but I guess if you "look at it" from nintendos point of view, and just profits your right.

I think of it as a consumer though, I want nintendo to sell alot of units, and dont care about their profits (they have so much money already just sitting around doing nothing). I want them to build up a huge amount of unit sales, and get great support for the system.  Best way to do that, is by trying to compete and not "ignore" the PS4 & XB1.

Yes, and Switch its still otsold 2.5 monts after launch on most markets despite PS4/XB1. You need to realise that Switch like hybrid and great and must have games like Zelda BotW and MK8D have own value compared to PS4/XB1.

Even from consumer point, it's obvious that Switch is selling great and actually better than Nintendo expected, and Nintendo cant still keep up with demand for Switch, so there is no reason for price cut in 1st year on market. Also Switch will release two more huge system sellers this year, Splatoon 2 and Mario Odyssey, that will keep up with momentum and demand.

And you need to realise, that sales wont stay great forever.

Its a new system so its still in the honeymoon phase, the hardcore nintendo fans are a big % of the early adopters.

At some point, most of those guys will have a system. Then its a matter of getting the non hardcore nintendo fans, and others out there.

 

I think by Holidays Nintendo should have cut prices by 50$ and bundled a game.

PS4 being 100$ cheaper & bundled with say "Uncharted 4" or "Horizon Zero Dawn"... its too much a differnce, the non nintendo fan will skip the system.

They arnt nessarily looking for nitnendo games, they are open to trying any brand, and just go for whats cheaper, what games does it come with, becuase they want something to play (or a gift for the kids ect).

 

If nintendo can figour out how to get production up, and want to try and sell alot, they should cut prices 50$ and bundle a game, for the holidays.



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DroidKnight said:
Azzanation said:
I dont think thats how it works.
Eg-Making profit on 20m sales beats selling 80m and barely making profit.

Optics.

I think Nintendo is making alot more money on the Switch since it is sold at a higher price than a basic X1 and PS4 with weaker hardware. Honestly aslong as there making money it doesnt matter what they sell. If being profitable and successful at 20m than thats all they need. This 80m+ standard gamers think should be a target is nonsense. Those systems went on to sell for 10+ years that were heavily outdated and practically sold for pea nuts is not the way i want the Switch to be. Ill be happy to buy a Nintendo system every 5 years. Aslong as they bring the games.



Barkley said:
Azzanation said:
Making profit on 20m sales beats selling 80m and barely making profit.

In the very short term, but selling 80m and not making a profit is a lot better for a companies potential and brand-power then selling 20m and making a profit.

The further your installbase drops the more of an uphill battle you'll have with your next device.

Let's take the PS3 for example, if that had only sold 20m units and not 80m, it might have been better for profits, but the PS4 wouldn't be doing nearly as well as it is now.

I somewhat agree however remember money is what makes the world go round. Its what builds the next system.

If the PS3 sold for 5 years than 40m - 50m is acceptable and considered a success. Look at the NES, SNES and N64, all incredible successes which lead to another platform. They lasted 5 years on the market before there successors came out. If Switch hits 40m+ in 5 years thats a success if they made profit ontop of that.



JRPGfan said:
Miyamotoo said:

Yes, and Switch its still otsold 2.5 monts after launch on most markets despite PS4/XB1. You need to realise that Switch like hybrid and great and must have games like Zelda BotW and MK8D have own value compared to PS4/XB1.

Even from consumer point, it's obvious that Switch is selling great and actually better than Nintendo expected, and Nintendo cant still keep up with demand for Switch, so there is no reason for price cut in 1st year on market. Also Switch will release two more huge system sellers this year, Splatoon 2 and Mario Odyssey, that will keep up with momentum and demand.

And you need to realise, that sales wont stay great forever.

Its a new system so its still in the honeymoon phase, the hardcore nintendo fans are a big % of the early adopters.

At some point, most of those guys will have a system. Then its a matter of getting the non hardcore nintendo fans, and others out there.

 

I think by Holidays Nintendo should have cut prices by 50$ and bundled a game.

PS4 being 100$ cheaper & bundled with say "Uncharted 4" or "Horizon Zero Dawn"... its too much a differnce, the non nintendo fan will skip the system.

They arnt nessarily looking for nitnendo games, they are open to trying any brand, and just go for whats cheaper, what games does it come with, becuase they want something to play (or a gift for the kids ect).

 

If nintendo can figour out how to get production up, and want to try and sell alot, they should cut prices 50$ and bundle a game, for the holidays.

Of Course they will not stay forever, but fact that is console that breaks record in terms of Nintendo consoles sales, that 2.5 months after launch Nintendo sell immediately everything they can deliver, that doesnt seems that sales will slow down any time soon, tells us that Switch will have at least very good sales this year and that there is no any need for price cut this year.

Wii U and 3DS definitely did not had such a demand, actually only Wii had such a demand if we talk about sales. We are now 2.5 months after launch, so honeymoon period is over but there is still great demand for Switch on market andmore system sellers games are coming, that wasn't case for Wii U and 3DS.

Well that's your opinion that only hardcore Nintendo fans are buying Switch, I saw plenty of people who are not at all Nintendo fans and they purchased or they looking to buy Switch.

 

Again, there is no need for price cut this year if sales are good, and actual Switch selling better than Nintendo thought it will sell with same price point. Again, you need to realise that Switch like hybrid and great and must have games like Zelda BotW and MK8D have own value compared to PS4/XB1. You cant play Zelda BotW on PS4 in handheld mode, you cant play MK8D on PS4 on to go in multiplayer out of box. Not evre person wants PS4 and PS4 at holiday season PS4 will be 4 years on market, while Switch is new, exasting and very difrent console that has great games you cant play on PS4/XB1. So when you talk about Switch you cant say "just go for whats cheaper" because Switch is very different console with different capabilities, possibilities and games, "just go for whats cheaper" can work if you choose between XB1 and PS4 because they gave basically same experience.

We had info that after initial demand and sales Nintendo decided to double Switch production from 8m to 16m for this year, but doubling production cant be done short time, it requires time. But for now, we know that Nintendo is shipping around 50k Switch consoles every week in Japan (its being sold out every week), so that would be mean around 150k for Europe and US combine evre week, so that basically means that Nintendo currently is shipping around 800k-1m consoles per month. Again, why they would need to make $50 price cut if its selling great!? Doesnt make any sense, buy your point is only because PS4/XB1 are cheaper, but Switch is selling great despite they are cheaper, because it has own value compared to them.



Ka-pi96 said:
Helloplite said:

You are right. If it doesn't at least do 80 million, it will be a failure just like PS4 and Xbox One. Both of them have failed to beat the previous generation sales and seem  highly unlikely to do so.

PS2: 155+ million
PS3+PSP: 166+ million
PS4+Vita: 75.5 million

360: 84+ million
One: 29.2 million

PS4 and/or Vita need another 85 million (give or take) to avoid failure
. Xbox One needs at least another 55 million.

Consoles are clearly dying.

Not really. Aside from the fact that the whole "must beat predecessor" concept is flawed in the first place... the PS4 only needs to beat the PS3. The Vita is the PSP successor, and is a definite failure. But the Vita being a failure doesn't transfer over to the PS4.

Not according to the logic employed in the original forum post. Sony is selling less hardware = failure. Consoles are dying. Ask the OT. It's his arguments, not mine. I merely apply the logic.

 

And going from 150 million hardware on average in the past two gens, to levels so far lower than PlayStation, is a regression​ no matter how you put it. 

 

Switch will cannibalize Nintendo's distinct handheld and house console hardware sales. Sony can't seem to find a way to match their two previous generations. Microsoft will struggle to even reach 2/3rds of the 360 -- which lost to both Wii and PS3. Dedicated gaming is on the wane. Ask the OT.



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You can't make that point for various reasons:
The marketing is for only one platform, the system is sold for profit from the beginning, the games that were 45$ on 3DS will now cost 60/70$ making a great profit...



What if they launch another, extremely successful DS?



Luke888 said:
You can't make that point for various reasons:
The marketing is for only one platform, the system is sold for profit from the beginning, the games that were 45$ on 3DS will now cost 60/70$ making a great profit...

Its not point just about marketing, but R&D for hardware (that alone is usually couple hundred millions of dollars) and developments costs for games are also just for one platform.



AlfredoTurkey said:
You forget to add "in my opinion" at the end of the title.

This. 



For your statement to have any merit, you need to prove the assumption that the Nintendo Switch is Nintendo's flagship handheld going forward. Because so far, Nintendo has directly contradicted that assumption every chance they have gotten.

So far, all we know is that the Switch has replaced the Wii U. They're still selling/making new 3DS/2DS models. It's entirely plausible that Nintendo will release another handheld system in the next year or so that does not play Switch cartridges, and that should surprise no one if they do.