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GoOnKid on 17 May 2017
potato_hamster said:
GoOnKid said:

This was my line: "Nintendo had been stupid in the past and therefore will be stupid in the future"
This is your line: "Nintendo has been demonstrably foolish and greedy many times in the past and therefore we shouldn't assume that they will not be in the future"

So you changed one word with a synonym and brought greed as a motivator. And now it has a COMPLETE new meaning!

 

Also, you refuse to talk about the rumoured price for the online service and yet you're filling all your lines with woulda shoulda coulda, which is in fact nothing else than spreading rumours yourself. Gr8 m8.

I believe you're just trying to spread fear. Now if only I knew what your reasoning behind this was...

It actually does have a completely new meaning, that's how language works. The words "shouldn't assume they will not" is not at all the same as "they will" at all. If you think it is, I strongly suggest you take some kind of program is logic or reasoning skills so that you can learn about the error in your thinking.

And then you misrepresent what I'm saying again. I didn't refuse to talk about the rumored price of the online service. I refused to treat the rumored price of the online service as if it is factual especially in using it in an argument in favor of Nintendo apparently making a pro consumer decision. Why on earth would I give merit to a rumor of what a company might do as an example of an apparent good consumer friendly thing when they haven't actually done it?

As for spreading rumors? What? What rumors have I apparently spread? The idea that Nintendo might actually make a 3DS successor that is incompatible with Switch games? How on earth can this be considered a rumor? All I'm pointing out is that it's a quasi-realistic possibility that shouldn't be surprising to anyone if it happens. I didn't say "I heard this was happening", or "I've seen a dev kit for this system" or anything else to push that I'm insisting this is actually happening. If you're interpreting what I've been saying as "hamster thinks Nintendo is making a 3DS replacement that is incompatible with Switch games" then you are not interpreting my words correctly, and again, it's on you to get better at interpreting what others are actually saying.

Spread fear? Give me a break. I'm just trying to inject a bit of perspective in amongst the high fives. There's a lot of people that are counting chickens before the hen has even laid an egg in this thread. Here I am pointing out that this is silly, and you argue that I'm trying to "spread fear"? No sir. Far from it.

Okay. You've spread awareness. Now we know that companys are after our money and that companys sometimes make anti-consumer decisions. Good job.



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potato_hamster on 17 May 2017
GoOnKid said:
potato_hamster said:

It actually does have a completely new meaning, that's how language works. The words "shouldn't assume they will not" is not at all the same as "they will" at all. If you think it is, I strongly suggest you take some kind of program is logic or reasoning skills so that you can learn about the error in your thinking.

And then you misrepresent what I'm saying again. I didn't refuse to talk about the rumored price of the online service. I refused to treat the rumored price of the online service as if it is factual especially in using it in an argument in favor of Nintendo apparently making a pro consumer decision. Why on earth would I give merit to a rumor of what a company might do as an example of an apparent good consumer friendly thing when they haven't actually done it?

As for spreading rumors? What? What rumors have I apparently spread? The idea that Nintendo might actually make a 3DS successor that is incompatible with Switch games? How on earth can this be considered a rumor? All I'm pointing out is that it's a quasi-realistic possibility that shouldn't be surprising to anyone if it happens. I didn't say "I heard this was happening", or "I've seen a dev kit for this system" or anything else to push that I'm insisting this is actually happening. If you're interpreting what I've been saying as "hamster thinks Nintendo is making a 3DS replacement that is incompatible with Switch games" then you are not interpreting my words correctly, and again, it's on you to get better at interpreting what others are actually saying.

Spread fear? Give me a break. I'm just trying to inject a bit of perspective in amongst the high fives. There's a lot of people that are counting chickens before the hen has even laid an egg in this thread. Here I am pointing out that this is silly, and you argue that I'm trying to "spread fear"? No sir. Far from it.

Okay. You've spread awareness. Now we know that companys are after our money and that companys sometimes make anti-consumer decisions. Good job.

What's your problem? If you  have an issue people expressing opinions about video games and video game companies on an internet forum about video games, and you don't like it, I suggest you try another website that only permits, let's say, more like-minded people.



GoOnKid on 17 May 2017
potato_hamster said:
GoOnKid said:

Okay. You've spread awareness. Now we know that companys are after our money and that companys sometimes make anti-consumer decisions. Good job.

What's your problem? If you  have an issue people expressing opinions about video games and video game companies on an internet forum about video games, and you don't like it, I suggest you try another website that only permits, let's say, more like-minded people.

Sorry. I may have been too cocky. I had no intentions to devaluate your opinion. I just thought there were too many contradictions, that's all.



160rmf on 17 May 2017
Pyro as Bill said:
Lauster said:

No, he's the guy claiming they could, not will.

Some are far too confident about the future of Nintendo and their next moves.

And nobody said they couldn't, they said they wouldn't.

The argument can be summed up as "Nintendo is a bunch of greedy, dumb, liars and people shouldn't be suprised if they do something greedy or dumb. Nintendo fans are also dumb enough to swallow whatever greedy/dumb decisions Nintendo decide to take."

Spot on! Not worth debating with someone that has an agenda to push.



 

 

We reap what we sow

potato_hamster on 17 May 2017
160rmf said:
Pyro as Bill said:

And nobody said they couldn't, they said they wouldn't.

The argument can be summed up as "Nintendo is a bunch of greedy, dumb, liars and people shouldn't be suprised if they do something greedy or dumb. Nintendo fans are also dumb enough to swallow whatever greedy/dumb decisions Nintendo decide to take."

Spot on! Not worth debating with someone that has an agenda to push.

.... please, go ahead then, tell me what agenda I'm apparently pushing besides "your confirmation bias is showing"?



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potato_hamster on 17 May 2017

For the sake of clarity, I've never said I hate anyone or anything, ever. That's because I don't.



LipeJJ on 17 May 2017

So... it needs to sell 16m per year for 5 years straight to not being considered a failure?

By that logic, PS4 + Vita need to sell 90 millions over the next 18 months or they are a failure (since PS3 + PSP = 167m). lol

It doesn't work like that.



Bet with Teeqoz for 2 weeks of avatar and sig control that Super Mario Odyssey would ship more than 7m on its first 2 months. The game shipped 9.07m, so I won

DroidKnight on 17 May 2017
LipeJJ said:

So... it needs to sell 16m per year for 5 years straight to not being considered a failure?

By that logic, PS4 + Vita need to sell 90 millions over the next 18 months or they are a failure (since PS3 + PSP = 167m). lol

It doesn't work like that.

There was a major decrease in hardware sales from the PSP to the Vita.  Profit wise I'm not sure how well Playstation did with the Vita.  Optically it looks like the Vita was not successful.  PS4 will outsell the PS3 very easily but will probably not sell 150 million lifetime.  Console sales are on a decrease.  I personally believe if Nintendo keeps the games coming and continues the excellent marketing strategy that they are using, then they will easily achieve 80+ million hardware sales in the 5-6 year period I was refrencing and that would break the notion that consoles are dying.  



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Pyro as Bill on 17 May 2017
160rmf said:

Spot on! Not worth debating with someone that has an agenda to push.

This post kinda explains everything.

potato_hamster said:

You. You'll buy a portable Switch and rebuy half your Switch games for it. Heck you already bought a semi-portable Wii U and have or will re-buy half of your Wii U games for it in some form or another, so what's the difference?

Why is Switch only a semi-portable WiiU?

Apart from Mario Kart 8 (with included DLC and improved battle mode) what else is there? Can't mean sequels surely.

 

OT - 80m will be an easy target depending on what the US military does. I wouldn't be suprised if they start nuking Japan next week and that could hamper Switch production. They have a history of doing this. The US Gov might say they have no intention to carpet nuke the Japanese but that's just PR speak. For the record, I'm not saying the US will nuke Japan, I'm just saying they could and people shouldn't be suprised if they do.



Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!

DroidKnight on 11 May 2022

I'm bumping this 3 days earlier than I was planning, but the week has been hectic so I'll do it now so I don't forget.

We are now at the 5 year mark and the Nintendo Switch was able to clear the arbitrary bar that I set for it for me to consider it a success.  Nintendo's achievements with the Switch I believe has strengthened its foothold in the console market and will have great momentum behind it when the Switch 2 is released.

After re-reading through all the posts in the thread the following one was my favorite and I think best exemplifies where I was at the time of making this thread. 

Soundwave said:

More realistically for Switch ....

Under 30 million: Failure/flop.

30-40 million: Large Disappointment

40-55 million: Lukewarm But Profitable

60-80 million: Not Bad to a Solid "Good"

80-100 million: Successful to Quite Successful

100+ million: Very Successful

150 million: Phenonmenon

Much congrats to the Switch and well deserved.  I can't wait to see when the passing of the 150 million mark will occur.  

Referencing the OP:

Not only did I buy the Switch for Xenoblade but went on to add the rest of these.  I still need to add Monster Hunter Rise, Xenoblade III, and BOTW 2 for me to call it complete.  Now if I just had the time to play them.



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