By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Nintendo Discussion - 80+ Million Switches Need to be Sold in 5 Years or it's a Failure

That's an interesting way to look at it, but I don't think that is necessarily the case :/



NintenDomination [May 2015 - July 2017]
 

  - Official  VGChartz Tutorial Thread - 

NintenDomination [2015/05/19 - 2017/07/02]
 

          

 

 

Here lies the hidden threads. 

 | |

Nintendo Metascore | Official NintenDomination | VGC Tutorial Thread

| Best and Worst of Miiverse | Manga Discussion Thead |
[3DS] Winter Playtimes [Wii U]

Around the Network

whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.



 

 

potato_hamster said:
Miyamotoo said:

I don't think they said specifically "one unified platform", but this Iwata quote is definatly intresting:

"Apple is able to release smart devices with various form factors one after another because there is one way of programming adopted by all platforms. Apple has a common platform called iOS. Another example is Android. Though there are various models, Android does not face software shortages because there is one common way of programming on the Android platform that works with various models. The point is, Nintendo platforms should be like those two examples. Whether we will ultimately need just one device will be determined by what consumers demand in the future, and that is not something we know at the moment. However, we are hoping to change and correct the situation in which we develop games for different platforms individually and sometimes disappoint consumers with game shortages as we attempt to move from one platform to another, and we believe that we will be able to deliver tangible results in the future."

It's amazing how you keep using that quote but fail to realize that iOS/Android are operating systems that are on a variety of different devices where applications aren't necessarily cross compatible with one another. Not all iPad apps work on all iPhones. Not all Android tablet apps work on all android phones. There are actually seperate tiers of devices within both the iOS and Android ecosystems that do not share all of the same applications. Yet you still think this means that Nintendo is going to come out with mutliple different types of devices that all play the same game cartridges, when it isn't even true for the example you use.

You're just reading what you want to hear from that quote, and making assumptions from that. Nintendo has never said that the Switch is a handheld console as is meant as a successor to the 3DS. You just want that to be true.

Fact is that is iOS is one platform, same is for Android. And yes, majority of apps works on most of iPads and iPhones.

Of Course I think Nintendo will make different iterations of Switch hardware, just look what all they done with 3DS family, but Switch like hybrid console gave Nintendo much more opportunities for other iterations we could have, Switch Mini/Pocket, Switch just for home console play, Switch Pro, Switch 2, Switch VR/AR addon...

And like I wrote, fact they admit they can't any more support effectively two different platforms, fact they merged their handheld and home console hardware division, and handheld and home console software divisions...tells us what exactly they are doing with Switch. So yes I am certain that Switch is unified platform, and that we will not have separate platform alongside Switch, and that we will have cheaper and smaller Switch Mini/Pocket just for handheld play in around 1.5-2 years when 3DS completely dies, and only time will show if I am wrong.



Miyamotoo said:
potato_hamster said:

It's amazing how you keep using that quote but fail to realize that iOS/Android are operating systems that are on a variety of different devices where applications aren't necessarily cross compatible with one another. Not all iPad apps work on all iPhones. Not all Android tablet apps work on all android phones. There are actually seperate tiers of devices within both the iOS and Android ecosystems that do not share all of the same applications. Yet you still think this means that Nintendo is going to come out with mutliple different types of devices that all play the same game cartridges, when it isn't even true for the example you use.

You're just reading what you want to hear from that quote, and making assumptions from that. Nintendo has never said that the Switch is a handheld console as is meant as a successor to the 3DS. You just want that to be true.

Fact is that is iOS is one platform, same is for Android. And yes, majority of apps works on most of iPads and iPhones.

Of Course I think Nintendo will make different iterations of Switch hardware, just look what all they done with 3DS family, but Switch like hybrid console gave Nintendo much more opportunities for other iterations we could have Switch Mini/Pocket, Switch just for home console play, Switch Pro, Switch 2, Switch VR/AR addon...

And like I wrote, fact they admit they can't any more support effectively two different platforms, fact they merge their handheld and home console hardware division, and handheld and home console software divisions...tells us what exactly they are doing with Switch. So yes I am certain that Switch will is unified platform and we will not have separate platform alongside Switch, we will have cheaper and smaller Switch Mini/Pocket just for handheld play in around 1.5-2 years when 3DS completely dies, and only time will show if I am wrong.

The actual fact is that iOS is not one platform in the same way that a video game console is one platform. The term "platform" in the technology space has many different meanings, and you're assuming it means the same thing every single time it is mentioned. It's like calling "PC" a platform (it is) when we all know that Forza Horizon 3 isn't going to run on your "PC" if it only runs OS X or Linux or Windows 3.1 for example. Sure, it is far easier to port a PC game from Windows to OS X than it is to say, port a PS3 game to OS X, but that does not mean that Windows and OS X are actually the same platform from a game development perspective even if they're running almost on identical hardware.

The fact of the matter, is that there wasn't actually much stopping Nintendo from making a "Wii U portable" or a "Wii U Pro" or a "Wii U 2" or a "Wii U VR add on".... but they never, and there really isn't much reason to expect Nintendo will change their hardware deployment philosophy this time around either.

All we have here is a handful of fans who want so very dearly for Nintendo to just make one device that they have a huge confirmation bias that prevents them from interpreting what Nintendo says in any other way than the way they want it to mean.



SpokenTruth said:
psychicscubadiver said:

Hell, I owned a WiiU and bought two 3DS handhelds (the first was sadly broken in an accident). When I only buy one Switch Nintendo will somehow lose 2 consumers.

Exactly.  And some people seem to have a very difficult time grasping this concept.   

In my own home, we had 1 Wii U and 4 3DS's.  Now just 1 Switch (possibly another later on though).  A 1:1 transition is just not going to happen and its an incredibly flawed logic to compare number to number with no context, frame of reference and acknowledgement of the circumstances of the 2 variables.

Yeah but f*** logic, logic is overrated. AMIRITE?



Around the Network
SpokenTruth said:
psychicscubadiver said:

Hell, I owned a WiiU and bought two 3DS handhelds (the first was sadly broken in an accident). When I only buy one Switch Nintendo will somehow lose 2 consumers.

Exactly.  And some people seem to have a very difficult time grasping this concept.   

In my own home, we had 1 Wii U and 4 3DS's.  Now just 1 Switch (possibly another later on though).  A 1:1 transition is just not going to happen and its an incredibly flawed logic to compare number to number with no context, frame of reference and acknowledgement of the circumstances of the 2 variables.

Please let me reiterate. I think it's an incredibly flawed logic to think that Nintendo is going to stop milking every dime they can out of fans like you for as little expense as possible. You are Nintendo's bread and butter.

There are millions of Nintendo fans just like you. Do people honestly think Nitnendo is going to completely abandon a demographic that buys 2-3-4 iterations of their hardware, and dozens of games to try and and get some positive PR and capture a couple million more casual fans that might buy 3-4  games, and have no interest in buying multiple pieces of hardware? They make far more money selling someone like you two incompatible pieces of hardware, and making you buy the same games multiple times to play it on both (because lets be honest here, you or someone you know probably will).

I really don't think they're going to abandon it so easily when they know they can easily make a derivative handheld based on Switch hardware that is incredibly easy to port games to that will have you (or someone like you) going out and buying that hardware pretty much day one and buy half of your Switch library all over again just so you can get the "deluxe" version of say, Breath of the Wild, or Splatoon 2, or Mario Odyssey that cost them just a fraction of the original titles to make.



potato_hamster said:

The actual fact is that iOS is not one platform in the same way that a video game console is one platform. The term "platform" in the technology space has many different meanings, and you're assuming it means the same thing every single time it is mentioned. It's like calling "PC" a platform (it is) when we all know that Forza Horizon 3 isn't going to run on your "PC" if it only runs OS X or Linux or Windows 3.1 for example. Sure, it is far easier to port a PC game from Windows to OS X than it is to say, port a PS3 game to OS X, but that does not mean that Windows and OS X are actually the same platform from a game development perspective even if they're running almost on identical hardware.

The fact of the matter, is that there wasn't actually much stopping Nintendo from making a "Wii U portable" or a "Wii U Pro" or a "Wii U 2" or a "Wii U VR add on".... but they never, and there really isn't much reason to expect Nintendo will change their hardware deployment philosophy this time around either.

All we have here is a handful of fans who want so very dearly for Nintendo to just make one device that they have a huge confirmation bias that prevents them from interpreting what Nintendo says in any other way than the way they want it to mean.

Your whole point (or one of them) is that Nintendo being stupid in the past means that Nintendo will be stupid in the future, right?



potato_hamster said:
SpokenTruth said:

Exactly.  And some people seem to have a very difficult time grasping this concept.   

In my own home, we had 1 Wii U and 4 3DS's.  Now just 1 Switch (possibly another later on though).  A 1:1 transition is just not going to happen and its an incredibly flawed logic to compare number to number with no context, frame of reference and acknowledgement of the circumstances of the 2 variables.

Please let me reiterate. I think it's an incredibly flawed logic to think that Nintendo is going to stop milking every dime they can out of fans like you for as little expense as possible. You are Nintendo's bread and butter.

There are millions of Nintendo fans just like you. Do people honestly think Nitnendo is going to completely abandon a demographic that buys 2-3-4 iterations of their hardware, and dozens of games to try and and get some positive PR and capture a couple million more casual fans that might buy 3-4  games, and have no interest in buying multiple pieces of hardware? They make far more money selling someone like you two incompatible pieces of hardware, and making you buy the same games multiple times to play it on both (because lets be honest here, you or someone you know probably will).

I really don't think they're going to abandon it so easily when they know they can easily make a derivative handheld based on Switch hardware that is incredibly easy to port games to that will have you (or someone like you) going out and buying that hardware pretty much day one and buy half of your Switch library all over again just so you can get the "deluxe" version of say, Breath of the Wild, or Splatoon 2, or Mario Odyssey that cost them just a fraction of the original titles to make.

They are currently trying to expand their brand awareness with some of their actions. You must have heard about that.



GoOnKid said:
potato_hamster said:

The actual fact is that iOS is not one platform in the same way that a video game console is one platform. The term "platform" in the technology space has many different meanings, and you're assuming it means the same thing every single time it is mentioned. It's like calling "PC" a platform (it is) when we all know that Forza Horizon 3 isn't going to run on your "PC" if it only runs OS X or Linux or Windows 3.1 for example. Sure, it is far easier to port a PC game from Windows to OS X than it is to say, port a PS3 game to OS X, but that does not mean that Windows and OS X are actually the same platform from a game development perspective even if they're running almost on identical hardware.

The fact of the matter, is that there wasn't actually much stopping Nintendo from making a "Wii U portable" or a "Wii U Pro" or a "Wii U 2" or a "Wii U VR add on".... but they never, and there really isn't much reason to expect Nintendo will change their hardware deployment philosophy this time around either.

All we have here is a handful of fans who want so very dearly for Nintendo to just make one device that they have a huge confirmation bias that prevents them from interpreting what Nintendo says in any other way than the way they want it to mean.

Your whole point (or one of them) is that Nintendo being stupid in the past means that Nintendo will be stupid in the future, right?

Ohh no, they're not being stupid. They're trying to make as much money as possible. When you look at from a perspective of "trying to extract as much money from their fans as possible" a lot of their decisions that make people scratch their heads become very easy to understand.



potato_hamster said:
GoOnKid said:

Your whole point (or one of them) is that Nintendo being stupid in the past means that Nintendo will be stupid in the future, right?

Ohh no, they're not being stupid. They're trying to make as much money as possible. When you look at from a perspective of "trying to extract as much money from their fans as possible" a lot of their decisions that make people scratch their heads become very easy to understand.

Why is their online service rumoured to be much cheaper than the competition's then?