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Forums - Sales Discussion - Nintendo's install base shrunk from 250 million in Gen 7 to ~80 million in Gen 8

Total units sold is not actually the same as installed base but okay.

It's a volatile market. Nintendo is trying something new with a unified design in order to combat a shrinking consumer base. They won't need to get anywhere near those combined numbers but they do need to prove that they're on the right path with better margins and positive signs of brand growth.

Creating new, long-term customers is going to be very key for them. If there are enough people who favor a hybrid design then Nintendo might have found a very viable and sustainable niche. If the Switch shows strong sales over the next two years, I think Nintendo--if they're smart--can throw away the "hit or miss" philosophy of home console design and instead focus on refining and improving the hybrid design.



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Software sales are more important, and the Switch will have a much higher attach rate than the Wii, DS and WiiU.



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tak13 said:

However, some people remember that wii/ds were anomalies, only when they want to use that as to  denigrate the extraordinary vast success of Nintendo in 7th gen!

Now Wii/Ds era is valid just to make the 8th gen look worst than it actually is!

How covenient, right?



 

 

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As already has been pointed out several times, the entire console business is in a state of decline. Nintendo might be the worst for wear, but this is an industry wide problem. What matters in the end, for these companies however, is revenue and profit. If the Switch manages go bring in the dough for Nintendo, they'll consider it a success.

I think the Switch might be able to well 80m, but I sure have my doubts!



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tak13 said:

If Nintendo hadn't hit that anomalies, your thread wouldn't exist now,  as 8th gen is comparable with gens before 7th gen....

However, some people remember that wii/ds were anomalies, only when they want to use that as to  denigrate the extraordinary vast success of Nintendo in 7th gen!

 

Pretty much. Really don´t understand how such behavior is beeing tolerated.



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Have you ever know about casuals? I heard they are a thing last gen but now they are missing smh.



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Rem87919394 said:
Most people that owned a Wii also owned a ds.

Source? 



Yes Switch most certainly will be considered a huge success at 80m since that is a great number in general and this time Nintendo isn't selling at a loss and all their games will be on that 80m installbase instead of just half. 3DS almost pulled that number, so imo it's safe to say the far superior Switch can reach that and more.



Sony's overall install base will almost certainly have dropped quite a lot too (probably from around 170m~ to 110 - 120m). It's a much less dramatic drop than Nintendo's, but it's still worth pointing out. The shift from the 7th to 8th gen hit the handheld market like a ton of bricks. The 3DS should be able to keep selling decent numbers for a while longer though, so the gap will be slightly small than it is now.

Anyway, the Switch selling 80m would be great for Nintendo. The 8th gen was difficult for them because it involved 1 system that effectively failed, and another that required losses to get it off the ground. They were also likley expecting both to perform better than they did, so were caught off guard. Right now Nintendo's biggest focus is putting the losses/relatively small profits of the last few years behind them and finding some stability in a market that's desires have shifted from what they used to offer. The Switch selling 80m might technically be a decline, but it'd fulfil both of those roles well. Given how conservative their Switch estimates are for FY2017, i wouldn't be surprised if they've planned for the Switch to fulfil those roles with a lot less than 80m.



Flilix said:
tak13 said:

He won't answer and if he does he will make a mistake with Gameboy...

 

Gameboy+ Snes 114m 

Gameboy ( GBC ) +N64 87m 

GBA + GC 104m 

 

* Gameboy sold 64m in nine years, then GBC another 54m in  4/5 years! Gameboy remained in market with 12/13 year without replacement, so it two gen handheld console! Nintendo released a revision ( gbc isn't a massive technological leap over GB ) but it had a big exclusive gaming library, plus that the few games that were also compatible with the old GB, people must preferred to play them colored!

So except for the 7th gen, Nintendo sold roughly the same amount of consoles each generation.

pretty much, NES did a little over 60 million and if you add Game & Watch to that its a little over 100 million.

Basically every Nintendo generation with the exception of Wii/DS has done 100 million give or take 15%.



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