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glimmer_of_hope said:
Zkuq said:

The first statement claims that everyone that's to the left is against free speech. The second statement claims that several groups that are to the left are against free speech. 'Several groups' does not cover everyone that's to the left. First, it doesn't cover individual people. Second, there are left-leaning groups that aren't against free speech. What you're claiming (indirectly) is that 'all' and 'several'  are the same thing. It's quite comparable to claiming that 'all' and 'some' are the same thing.

All Canadians love hockey, All Americans love baseball. Do they? No! But in the eyes of the person who says that, they are meaning the vast majority does. So is that how we are going to live life? "98.8465382046364362634803332% Canadians love hockey, and don't you dare just say Canadians love hockey because you are wrong" If I turn that around and say "98.8465382046364362634803332% Canadians love hockey" people are going to laugh and say "your right all canadians love hockey" Thats what I mean by saying the same thing!! 

So clearly when I say "what does the left have against freedom of speech" Clearly it does not mean 100% It just means the vast majority in my opinion.

I don't think they have a problem with free speech, they have a problem with hate speech/bigotry though. 

Tim Allen though just sucks donkey balls and had shit ratings so not sure why he should be gaurunteed a TV show. 



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Soundwave said:
glimmer_of_hope said:

All Canadians love hockey, All Americans love baseball. Do they? No! But in the eyes of the person who says that, they are meaning the vast majority does. So is that how we are going to live life? "98.8465382046364362634803332% Canadians love hockey, and don't you dare just say Canadians love hockey because you are wrong" If I turn that around and say "98.8465382046364362634803332% Canadians love hockey" people are going to laugh and say "your right all canadians love hockey" Thats what I mean by saying the same thing!! 

So clearly when I say "what does the left have against freedom of speech" Clearly it does not mean 100% It just means the vast majority in my opinion.

I don't think they have a problem with free speech, they have a problem with hate speech/bigotry though. 

Tim Allen though just sucks donkey balls and had shit ratings so not sure why he should be gaurunteed a TV show. 

When people are racist or bigoted THATS when you allow them to speak even more! It's like when terrorists bomb us, we live our life and freedoms even more! Shutting people down because they have weirdo opinions shows intollerance. If you'll note I don't give a rats ass about Coulter or Milo, but they should have a platform to speak like we ALL should. How many people here identify as Liberal...I guarantee the majority of people who disagree with me are Liberal! Hence my opinion of Liberals and free speech! Can you imagine a horde of conservatives with masks and weapons shutting down a liberal? No it wouldn't happen! Why? 



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ClassicGamingWizzz said:
"Shutting down Milo Yiannopoulos twitter account "

Ofcoure they shut down one fucking idiot that used twitter to harass and insult, the question is , do you support of others using twitter to flame and harass and make racist statements? If you do why you so upset by people saying your opinion in the thread is stupid? You seem to be for free speech when Millo insults , but you dont like it when leyton in the thread called your opinions stupid? The right might call you snowflake !!!

The problem is that most people think freedom of speech means having the ability to say whatever the hell they want on someone else's website. Twitter, Vgchartz, Facebook... these are all owned by someone else. None of us have a right by law to go onto someone else's site and say what we want. 

Why people like the guy who made the OP can't understand that is beyond me. Seems pretty straight forward.



AlfredoTurkey said:
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
"Shutting down Milo Yiannopoulos twitter account "

Ofcoure they shut down one fucking idiot that used twitter to harass and insult, the question is , do you support of others using twitter to flame and harass and make racist statements? If you do why you so upset by people saying your opinion in the thread is stupid? You seem to be for free speech when Millo insults , but you dont like it when leyton in the thread called your opinions stupid? The right might call you snowflake !!!

The problem is that most people think freedom of speech means having the ability to say whatever the hell they want on someone else's website. Twitter, Vgchartz, Facebook... these are all owned by someone else. None of us have a right by law to go onto someone else's site and say what we want. 

Why people like the guy who made the OP can't understand that is beyond me. Seems pretty straight forward.

No shutting down Milos Twitter is censorship, stopping people from speaking on a public forum is intruding on free speech! 

Why you can't understand that is beyond me.



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Bandorr said:

A) this is clearly politics. Not general discussion.
B) You really REALLY need to learn what Free speech is.
C) last man standing has been out since 2011. With 130 episodes. So there wasn't exactly a rash decision I bet.

D) Tomi Lahren was fired from "The Blaze" for saying "stating that women should have access to abortions." So linking to them in an argument about "free speech" is not going to go well.

I think her suspension had more to do with her saying to disagree with her, while still calling yourself a Conservative, was being a hypocrite.  Basically, insulting most of the people who work for The Blaze.  And originally, it was just a week suspension.  However, she saw it as an advantage to get free publicity from the left media who hate Beck, so she ran with it, which lead to her firing.  They're better off without her, anyway.  She was a Trump apologist on any and every topic.

shikamaru317 said:

Yeah, this cancellation was clearly politically motivated. Modern Family's ratings have dropped below Last Man Standing's and yet they renewed Modern Family for 2 more seasons. Such bullcrap. I hope some other Network or Netflix/Hulu/Amazon picks it up. The show has gotten alot of views on both Hulu and Netflix so*fingers crossed*

I hope Netflix picks it up.  If little to no draw Bill Nye can get a show, I don't see why a show with decent ratings can't get picked up.  People seemed to like it enough and watch it enough for Netflix to spend money to get all the seasons on there, so it seems like it's got a shot.



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glimmer_of_hope said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

The problem is that most people think freedom of speech means having the ability to say whatever the hell they want on someone else's website. Twitter, Vgchartz, Facebook... these are all owned by someone else. None of us have a right by law to go onto someone else's site and say what we want. 

Why people like the guy who made the OP can't understand that is beyond me. Seems pretty straight forward.

No shutting down Milos Twitter is censorship, stopping people from speaking on a public forum is intruding on free speech! 

Why you can't understand that is beyond me.

No, I'm sorry, it's not lol. A website is like a home. As the owner, if you don't want someone in your house, you have the right to kick them out. The same rules apply to an owner of a website like the one you and I are conversing on right now. If the owner of Vgchartz doesn't like what we say, for any reason or no reason at all, they can ban us and there is no law broken. You may think that's wrong, and that's your right, but it's true. 

If you want total free reign over what you say, you have to create your own website. 



AlfredoTurkey said:
glimmer_of_hope said:

No shutting down Milos Twitter is censorship, stopping people from speaking on a public forum is intruding on free speech! 

Why you can't understand that is beyond me.

No, I'm sorry, it's not lol. A website is like a home. As the owner, if you don't want someone in your house, you have the right to kick them out. The same rules apply to an owner of a website like the one you and I are conversing on right now. If the owner of Vgchartz doesn't like what we say, for any reason or no reason at all, they can ban us and there is no law broken. You may think that's wrong, and that's your right, but it's true. 

If you want total free reign over what you say, you have to create your own website. 

So who controls content? For the record Leslie Jones has said MANY racist things on her account. What about ISIS accounts? But Milo gets shut down for being a troll? But hey racism against whites and terrorism is acceptable right? Go look at the content on Twitter and tell me theres no bias or agenda there! It's a joke.  Call it for what it is. 



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glimmer_of_hope said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

No, I'm sorry, it's not lol. A website is like a home. As the owner, if you don't want someone in your house, you have the right to kick them out. The same rules apply to an owner of a website like the one you and I are conversing on right now. If the owner of Vgchartz doesn't like what we say, for any reason or no reason at all, they can ban us and there is no law broken. You may think that's wrong, and that's your right, but it's true. 

If you want total free reign over what you say, you have to create your own website. 

So who controls content? For the record Leslie Jones has said MANY racist things on her account. What about ISIS accounts? But Milo gets shut down for being a troll? Go look at the content on Twitter and tell me theres no bias or agenda there! It's a joke. 

They should shut down ISIS accounts. And if Leslie Jones was organizing a campaign to racially harass another individual she should also have her account shut down too. 

Lets be honest too, people like Milo play up the hate speech to generate money, it's a character/schtick/scam to cash in on idiots. 

And Twitter controls that content, they have right to do as they please, it's their service that no one is forced to use. If you want your own social media service, you go design your own and get a billion users on it, then you can dictate who posts what. 



glimmer_of_hope said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

No, I'm sorry, it's not lol. A website is like a home. As the owner, if you don't want someone in your house, you have the right to kick them out. The same rules apply to an owner of a website like the one you and I are conversing on right now. If the owner of Vgchartz doesn't like what we say, for any reason or no reason at all, they can ban us and there is no law broken. You may think that's wrong, and that's your right, but it's true. 

If you want total free reign over what you say, you have to create your own website. 

So who controls content? For the record Leslie Jones has said MANY racist things on her account. What about ISIS accounts? But Milo gets shut down for being a troll? Go look at the content on Twitter and tell me theres no bias or agenda there! It's a joke. 

There is 100% a bias.  However, there is no law against that.  Twitter is privately owned, so they can choose to not allow someone on their site.  It is hypocritical for those on the left to call Milo a hater and he deserved to be banned,  but give others a pass.  But, again, there is no law against hypocrisy.  The only thing that would change anything is if enough people on the right, as well as those in the middle who don't like the hypocrisy, banded together and boycotted Twitter (or whatever company displayed a strong bias.)  That's not likely to happen, though, as most people will just complain about Twitter on Twitter. 



Twitter would've banned the Orange Turd ages ago if there was that much of a bias. I'm sure people in his inner circle wish Twitter would actually ban him because it's a political liability for him in many cases. Full on hate speech/targetting individuals with full blown campaigns of hate is what gets you banned, not having opinions.

As for Tim Allen, his ratings with any one not in an old folkes home (read: people who actually buy shit from advertisers) suck balls. It's an easy decision to axe him.